Dishing the Dirt

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  1. Sturminator

    Sturminator I voted for Kodos

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    I'm going to use this thread as a place for dumping any and all interesting information that I happen to stumble upon in my trips around the internet. Mostly, I've found a lot of interesting bits and pieces on pre-war players who are maybe still a bit faceless to many of us. I invite other posters who I know do their fair share of research to use this thread, as well. One rule: let's please save our information until all players mentioned are drafted, or at least leave undrafteds out of what we quote in the articles.

    Ok, first off, an article on Moose Johnson's retirement:

     
  2. Sturminator

    Sturminator I voted for Kodos

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    A couple ridiculous videos of Valeri Kharlamov:





    ...and how Valeri's ankle got broken:

     
  3. Sturminator

    Sturminator I voted for Kodos

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    A pretty hard one about Mickey MacKay:

     
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  4. BM67

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    So Mickey had some injuries and an off year, yet was still amongst the leagues leading scorers. What's the point?

     
  5. VanIslander

    VanIslander Don't waste my time

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    Cyclone Taylor vs. Newsy Lalonde

    [​IMG] vs. [​IMG]

     
  6. seventieslord

    seventieslord Student Of The Game

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    I wonder about this quote. This is the kind of thing that would have been mentioned in Taylor's biography or in the book about the Patricks. And the impression I got about Lalonde/Taylor is that they were friendly rivals and that's it.
     
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    Are you saying that someone just imagined that happened? It was the direct words from a guy to a reporter, a guy that talked as if he saw lots of Taylor and Lalonde in his day.
     
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    To me, that quote is obviously not true. Most likely it's from a humour piece and not meant to be taken seriously.

    Even the roughest hockey players usually didn't fight off the ice, let alone Taylor. I believe after Joe Hall and Newsy Lalonde had a nasty scrap on the ice and one was hauled into court, the other one showed up to defend him.

    Also, off-ice real life fights don't go on for anywhere close to an hour. Rarely as long as a minute, outside of Hollywood.
     
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    You sound like a man speaking from personal experience. :naughty:
     
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    The article itself was anything but humorous.. look it up yourself. The date is right there.
     
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    seventieslord Student Of The Game

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    I think it's humourous.

    like, who fights for an hour? really.
     
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    Then you'd be a fool.
     
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    :D Fraid not. But I've been in high school. One on one fights are posturing and maybe10 seconds of actual fighting. Real fights quickly turn into one-sided beatings as soon as someone gets an edge unless someone pulls them apart.

    Just looked it up. Kieran's column is just passing on the monologue of some guy he met "out on the town" (probably somewhere where Prohibition was not observed) about old time hockey players.

    Do people seriously think that the story happened as written, on the word of some guy in a bar?
     
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    If I fought for an hour? Yes, I'd be a fool. How stupid would I have to be to not finish the job in 60 minutes? How stupid would my opponent have to be?
     
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    seventieslord Student Of The Game

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    God, no.
     
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    I think the point of the story was to show that Taylor would fight back if provoked.
     
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    Sturminator I voted for Kodos

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    It is what it is. He seems to have gotten physically pretty beat up throughout his career. I think the physical punishment such a small star player must have taken likely explains MacKay's very up and down scoring finishes during his prime, and the "in-and-outer" characterization. MacKay also turned in some pretty lackluster playoff performances in Vancouver (especially when he was the team's offensive star), and was specifically criticized for it. But I've also got tons of quotes about MacKay's defensive excellence (whereas about Taylor I have found literally nothing) and speed. Yes, the Millionaires seem to have tried using MacKay in the Frank Nighbor role when they played 6 man hockey, though in the 7 man Western game he seems to have been more offense-minded.

    We'll revisit MacKay later. He plays a pretty big role in some of the research I'm pulling together.
     
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    It just seems strange in context with what he did that season.

    He was tied for the PCHA goal scoring title, and finished 3rd overall in points. He was also the top scorer for the PCHA in inter-league matches aginst the WCHL. His play against the other PCHA teams seems to be his "outer" portion.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TxFkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=93oNAAAAIBAJ&pg=4369,1095048&dq=mickey+mackay&hl=en
     
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    Sturminator I voted for Kodos

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    Yeah, the context of the report is strange, because MacKay did have, to all appearances, a good offensive season the year before. I am more interested in the commentary on his career, because I had always wondered about his strange up and down scoring levels out west.
     
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    In large part it had to do with the up and down nature of scoring league wide and on his team.

    Here are the goals per game averages from the first 5 years of his PCHA career from the Hockey Compendium, and his teams totals for GF and assists. I'll throw in the NHA/NHL for comparison.


    Vancouver was the top team in GF all 5 years.

    Certainly his broken ankle bone in 15-16 contributed to an off year. His broken jaw in 18-19 left a huge mark on the PCHA landscape for years to come, starting with that years playoff race.

    He didn't miss that many actual games, but one does have to wonder how much time he spent as a spare.
     
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    bm67 is clearly getting atd fever again:)
     
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    I've never lost interest in the history, the players, or even assembling a great team, just in all the rest of the crap that goes with the draft.
     
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    learn not to give a blank and enjoy drafting different great players in each draft
     
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    which crap?
     
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