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Once he learns to play something that vaguely resembles defense he will deserve more.
Confirmed with Link: Devils sign Gelinas (1 year, $900k)
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Once he learns to play something that vaguely resembles defense he will deserve more.
Gelinas maybe the worst D in his own zone in the entire NHL last year, but getting .5 PTS per game makes him worth easily above 1m.
So stupid to use power to save 300k today when it could save millions in the future.
manilaNJ
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I think 900k is fair, both him and Larsson are out there to prove consistency above all else. They both struggled with that.
If they prove their worth, they'll get their payday. Lou isn't afraid to reward players, but they have to earn it.
I still do not trust this agent going forward, though. I figured an 11th hour deal, but I still worry about next year's theatrics when he has more negotiating rights.
Happy for now, though
If they prove their worth, they'll get their payday. Lou isn't afraid to reward players, but they have to earn it.
I still do not trust this agent going forward, though. I figured an 11th hour deal, but I still worry about next year's theatrics when he has more negotiating rights.
Happy for now, though
liquid1988
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Without him, all we have for a offensive defensive player would by Ziddy. Thank god we signed him. What's the contact details?
manilaNJ
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It's pretty telling that 2 of his biggest clients fired him.
And both times he bloviated on and on to the media about how it was the team's fault.
liquid1988
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Who cares? I sincerely doubt this has any tangible affect on things. Gelinas will have his market value later on and will likely get it, whether it be from NJ or someone else.
Roomtemperature
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Avoids him missing any training camp time so that's all that matters.
Also its good for Larsson that its the same contract. Players use money to compare themselves to others and it might have been awkward if Gelinas made more.
Also its good for Larsson that its the same contract. Players use money to compare themselves to others and it might have been awkward if Gelinas made more.
Lou is God
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I can't help but get the feeling that out of all the young defensive prospects we have if one was moved it will be Gelinas, really hope I'm wrong.
NJDevs26
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You're not going to get any hometown discount on Gelinas in the future whether he's underpaid or overpaid now. If Gelinas wants to stay he'll stay, if he wants to take the highest offer he'll do that regardless. Besides Lou might not even be the GM when Gelinas goes UFA.
Who would you rather see moved? If one of our young d prospects gets moved Gelinas is the one I would be least heartbroken about
NJDevs26
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Gelinas played a lot more in the NHL last year and had a bigger impact, honestly I'm surprised it was such a big deal to keep them on a similar path.
I do. This is a very poor policy that Lou always has done and can bite him in the ass when these players have leverage. The 300k to Gelinas would have meant the world to Gelinas and is meaningless to the NJD.
If Gelinas improves significantly this year do you think he is going to be an easy sign next year? I don't.
Lou is God
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I didn't say I wanted to see him move but just that my gut tells me if one of them were moved it would be him. And out of our defensemen I think Gelinas has the highest ceiling solely because if he ever improved his defensive game he would be a premier defenseman, maybe him worthy of consideration for the Norris, he can be that good.
And to be honest it would be too difficult to say who I would be least heartbroken about leaving.
manilaNJ
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I get the same feeling. I might be one of his harshest critics right now, but even with all of the other great prospects in the pipeline, I still find it hard to temper my excitement for what he might be able to bring.
No guarantee his defensive skills improve enough to give him the value I think he can have... but I really do love what this kid has shown he can do with the puck.
It is not about taking the highest offer. It is about willing to sign a deal before he gets to listen to others. That is when the player trust in Lou matters. Does the player trust Lou deal is market value? Or does he remember when Lou gave him what he was asking for in the past?
I hope Gelinas greatly improves. If he does his next contract won't be an easy signing since this no brainer was a pain.
Missionhockey
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Although there's still a chance they trade Gelinas if Severson knocks everyone's socks off, but I think this guarantees he starts in the AHL.
Although there's still a chance they trade Gelinas if Severson knocks everyone's socks off, but I think this guarantees he starts in the AHL.
Watch this video at 7:20 and you will quickly recall why Gelinas is only getting $900K
There are many examples of this. If we can teach him, he will be worth more.
http://youtu.be/RMJWvH1n65Q
There are many examples of this. If we can teach him, he will be worth more.
http://youtu.be/RMJWvH1n65Q
Richer's Ghost
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Gelinas was 54th pick overall and he just got the same deal the 4th overall got while playing worse at his position.
If he is going somewhere else over 100k or so down the road then he was going to go anyways.
If he is going somewhere else over 100k or so down the road then he was going to go anyways.
Gelinas played significantly more NHL games last year. I was his biggest defensive critic last season, but he still produced a lot of points and IMO a fair deal is ~1.2m. I am also Larsson biggest fan. I think he is significantly better than Merrill/Gelinas, but last season he didn't improve from the previous and played a significantly amount in the AHL.
Classic Devil
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Agreed. This reminds me a lot of when Lou was trying to get Larsson signed to his ELC. All the talk about "no one's above the team" sorta stuff. Lou wants his players to fully buy in to being team-first, and this is a step in that direction. If it creates bad blood down the road, maybe we don't want him around anyway. Lots of players have held out with Lou and stuck around for a long time.
First off, this doesn’t save “millions†in the future – that’s just ridiculous. Players are generally going to try to get as much as possible regardless of past contracts.
You could also look at the flipside and say that a $1.2M contract would upset Larsson as it’s arguable who the better defenseman is now and maybe he drives a harder deal next time feeling he’s proven more in the NHL and should’ve gotten a better deal this time. It also sets a precedence for deals down the line for other young d-men that are in the pipeline, which would also cost more than just $300K.
Even with his point production, Gelinas still hasn’t proven his a top 6 defenseman yet. Fortunately for him, he has every opportunity to do so this year and if he does, he’ll surely get paid next offseason.
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