SpeakingOfTheDevils
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Well, Recchi has a ton of clout and is a winner.
Unlike almost every other PIT retread we took on under Shero.
I like this move a lot.
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Well, Recchi has a ton of clout and is a winner.
Unlike almost every other PIT retread we took on under Shero.
I like this move a lot.
I didn't say they were keeping him around.
I didn't say anything about his age or his performance moving forward.
These types of deals, yes. Again, I've advocated for using cap space as an asset. I don't believe that we are buying out Cory, I don't believe that we would pay that much for the goaltenders all told. You're talking 7.5 hit (6.5 real dollars, which is super important), 3M for Cory's buy out, and probably close to 3 million on a bridge deal for Blackwood. If we take on MAF, which I'm fine with, I think Cory goes back, which negates any potential negative value MAF would have. So you're likely not getting a sweetener worth while. If we do buy out Cory, I would expect us to shoot smaller in terms of backup goalie; think Reimer in Carolina. Minor cap hit with even smaller real cash figure.
Also, their money is kind of just fine. They have 6 million in space right now which would be enough to re-sign Lehner long term, who seems to want long term security more than anything. Their UFAs are largely role players; guys like Merrill can go. They can retain what they need to on MAF to make him a reasonable asset for somebody. Retaining 2 million will not kill them.
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I'd really love to get that pick back somehow just so we could put out good offer sheets for Cernak or Dunn
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I'm curious if he's had his finger prints on any specific players that have developed in Pitt into productive players.
Pitt obviously has the luxury of two of the best players of this generation at center as well, that certainly helps things.
Pitt obviously has the luxury of two of the best players of this generation at center as well, that certainly helps things.
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With the (very) long list of available defensemen available in free agency this summer that I listed yesterday, and the (very) little amount of teams with a lot of cap room to sign these said UFA defensemen, I think it is very possible the Devils would be able to include Severson in a deal for Laine, and then sign 3 of Krug, Barrie, Vatanen, Greene, Gudas, Tanev, Dillon, Hamonic, Brodie, Hainsey, Shattenkirk, Schultz, Demelo, Braun, and Borowiecki to replace the loss of Severson as well as address the need for defensemen.
Say you trade Severson, Boqvist, 18th overall, and 20th overall for Laine. Then you sign one of Barrie/Brodie/Shattenkirk/Schultz to replace Severson, one of Krug/Dillon/Tanev/Vatanen to pair with the defenseman you just signed, and then one of Greene/Hainsey/Boroweicki/Demelo/Braun to play on the 3rd pair. Isn't that very realistic in this flat cap offseason where there are a huge glut of UFA defensemen and not a lot of teams with room to sign them?
SpeakingOfTheDevils
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Like I said man, that just isn't realistic.
I absolutely HATE this "we'll trade this guy and then just sign anotehr guy to replace the guy we just traded" line of thinking. It never works out the way you want.
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Except it does many time.. And sure, even if it doesn't, you do realize we aren't winning the 2021 Stanley Cup right? It's just not happening. So having a hole there isn't the worst thing when you created that hole by acquiring a 22 year old superstar who currently averages 37 goals per 82. And is only getting better.
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One way to introduce yourself to the leagues GMs as a 1st time GM is to offer sheet their players.
I think that might be a bad idea
One way to introduce yourself to the leagues GMs as a 1st time GM is to offer sheet their players.
I think that might be a bad idea
lol would be such a boss move though. Especially because we had to go out and reacquire the pick.
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Yikes....
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for old times sake!!
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You forgot the “cup.jpeg”
Zadorov, my bad.
The point is if we can acquire a top #4 dman because we have assets and most importantly because we have a shit load of cap space, it puts us in the drivers seat if we do want to trade for, or sign, one or three dmen.
Damon Severson is not the next coming of Jesus Christ and wouldn’t be that hard to replace. If that’s the guy Winnipeg wants as the main piece, you pull the trigger and look to replace his above average offensive game and his mediocre defensive game elsewhere.
I don’t think you know just how good Patrick Laine really is and I’m certain you’re giving way too much credit to a guy you’ve watched play with us for close to 6 years now.
I’ll just ask you this, would we lose a step if we were to lose Severson and replace him with Vatanen? I know we have to upgrade our blueline but losing a top #4 dman in favour of a 22 year old goal machine is perfectly fine by me if we go out and add some solid depth on the backline as well.
The NHL doesn’t a limit on the number of moves a team can make per year, so I don’t know why were so worried we couldn’t find a replacement and more help on our blueline by taking advantage of cap strapped teams, the expansion draft and free agency.
On a more realistic note, someone like Anthony Mantha would be an ideal target and wouldn’t cost as much. We would also get to keep Severson, which would make everyone on here jump for joy!
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Patrick Laine is not a superstar...he doesn't make other players around him better IMO. He is a tremendous goal scorer, but I am not gutting our available assets to acquire a winger and then pay him $10 million/year. Not right now. That is NOT what we should be doing as the team is currently constructed.
Unless you talk to Detroit fans. Seriously, whenever they put him in trade proposals, the ask is insane....like nothing I would ever dream of giving up. I think when they broached it for us, they asked for two firsts, which I just would never do for him.
The thing about the Laine trade is that the hypothetical trade proposed (Severson, Boqvist, 18 & 20) probably isn't even enough to get the foot in the door of negotiations, so it's kind of silly to keep beating the prospect of getting him at that price point into the ground. I just don't think that's a realistic compensation package.
Well the good news is that Fitzgerald doesn’t have to negotiate with anyone on HF boards. The other good news is that Detroit is looking for picks and prospects and I for one can see Yzerman being interested in a Boqvist/Zacha/etc + 18th or 20th overall pick for his bulky winger.
That for me would be a deal that would benefit both teams. We get some much needed help up front by adding size and goals in Mantha and Detroit keeps on stockpiling assets for their rebuild.
This I agree with. They need a 2nd line center and a top#4 dman.
We can offer them Severson but we’re still missing half of their puzzle they want in return for Laine. Carolina has both pieces... it’s just a matter of do they actually want Patrick Laine?
@AlexTheDevilsFan actually the reason those teams keep getting bounced is combination of crappy organization, garbage defense, and / or garbage goaltending. The Canucks are top heavy as well (maybe not much as the oilers though) and almost got to the finals. Difference is they actually play some defense and got good goaltending. I imagine their coach is alright too, don't know anything about him.
Mantha is too old for the Devils to give up assets to acquire. As Fitzgerald stated, we should be adding players in the age range of Jack (19) and Nico (21). Laine (22) fits that bill perfectly. Mantha (26) does not.
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I was going to say Woof! but Yikes works too.
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