Set career highs in PPG(playing a mintue and a half less per game than previous high), FO%(58%), blocked shots (in less games) and hit at the same rate this season.
Prospect Info: Detroit Red Wings Prospect Thread 2017-18 I
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Fil Larkmanthanasiou
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But if the choice is between Hossa or Cleary and Samuelsson, you gotta go Hossa. Cleary was a very good player before the injuries slowed him down but Hossa was elite.
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We have no indication Hossa ever really considered a long-term deal here.
I think we all assume he wasn't just about being a one year mercenary...
Remember Hossa could have signed his own contract offer before Franzen.
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The Wings had tons of older leaders on their team other than Cleary and still have a few.
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IIRC he wanted to stay but the Wings didn't have the cap space to retain him.
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He received his ability to extend in season. A big part of that in my opinion was Kopecky was also believed to be a package deal. He wasn't staying with how Detroit needed to manage the cap. But both Hossa and Franzen had offered contracts in season. Hossa didn't sign his, I am not sure why, but it is well within the realm of possibility he wasn't going to extend here long-term. I mean we don't talk about that angle much. Plus the fact we knew Hossa would have to miss extended time in the immediate future with reconstructive shoulder surgery at the time of the negotiation, so did the Hawks but just saying that part also seems to be forgotten. It is probably in a large part due to how long ago this happened and wishing away that signing Hossa long-term like the Suter thing seems sort of out of our control. We got sort of close, but hey horseshoes and hand-grenades. I just always like the certainty that he was staying here in this argument...
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Holland overvalues redundant veteran depth at the expense of cap space (for possible impact players) and the development of younger players.
Why in the hell are we talking about Hossa in this prospect thread?
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Almost 10 years later, and it's still a hot topic somehow.
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That wasnt really the choice though. The choice was mostly between Franzen and Hossa, but with Franzen the wings could still sign Hudler and Samuelsson so they chose to keep some depth by signing all 3. Was Cleary a factor? Yes, but his 2.8 million wasnt the reason Hossa couldnt be signed at all
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Cleary, Hossa, Hudler, Franzen and Samuelsson are really promising prospects. Wings future is bright!
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Holland overvalues redundant veteran depth at the expense of cap space (for possible impact players) and the development of younger players.
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Holland overvalues redundant veteran depth at the expense of cap space (for possible impact players) and the development of younger players.
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I'm not sure Cleary was redundant veteran depth though. The wings were cup contenders and he was a top 6 winger. Those times are completely different to now. Larkin made the team young, now it looks like Rasmussen and one of Hronek/Cholowski will next year as well. The way wings habdle prospects is completely different from back then (as it should be). Cleary on a team like today's wings would hold back Rasmussen, Cleary at 2.8 million playing in the top 6 of a cup contender is different though and he wasnt even the one who stopped Hossa from signing anyways. Plus I'm not really sure who was being held back back then, the wings didnt have great prospects waiting.
Young guys are getting their chances earlier now as they should be. I dont know why some people fail to see that the philosphy has changed and keep beating the same dead horse. Holland hasnt been holding back good prospects for a while now
I was curious if this sort of stuff was going on. Hopefully it's not so bad in GR and Detroit.
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The Wings already had an overabundance of veteran non first pairing d-men and he signed yet another one last summer resulting in a total of 5 games by rookies on the blueline. Hicketts stood out as the best d-man in the preseason and despite that he certainly deserved to be on the Wings to start the season was sent down.
Even in the regular season games he played in, he looked like our best D-man to me. I don't think there would have been much of a drop off if they went with Hicketts, Russo, Hronek and /or Sulak and even if there was it would have actually been beneficial in the larger scheme of things. Those prospects would have gained some valuable NHL experience and mentorship, the Wings would have had a better evaluation of them, the Wings wouldn't have wasted cap space on something redundant and the Griffs wouldn't have had the logjam on D which they did forcing them to dress 7 d-men for nearly half of the games (thus cutting 15% ice-time for each of them) or scratching Saarijarvi who looked really good in the limited opportunity he was afforded and if it turned out that none of them were as good as Daley (doubtful) is yet, they may have lost a few more games and had a better shot at Dahlin.
Next year we have Cholowski, Sulak and Sambrook coming up and only 2 of the D-men (Green and Renouf) form the past season are unsigned for next year making an already crowded situation even worse (with no first pairing d-men on the team and the ones with possible potential to become one obstructed for opportunity by redundant veteran depth). And I would think that Holland will try to re-sign Green or replace him with a FA acquisition and I wouldn't be surprised to see him re-sign Renouf although he seems like he will never be anything more than a tougher Lashoff.
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Pretty brutal year for Webb, too. Yikes. Like, okay, it wasn't working out in Hamilton. 1 point in 31 games. Trade him somewhere else, maybe he can get a fresh start. I guess he technically did triple his points in fewer games: 3 points in 30 games.
A guy like that will be really lucky to be playing hockey for any money at all in a couple of years.
A guy like that will be really lucky to be playing hockey for any money at all in a couple of years.
I disagree, Webb will be a money player. I have the pleasure of watching him every game, and the stats don't say his value. Webbs main focus is on shutting down top players, playing tough in front of net. I agree, he won't be an NHL player maybe, but he will make a career in Europe playing hockey.
That is the same as Gilmour, he will be a money player overseas.
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It was a pretty Brutal year for every single one of our 2017 Draft outside of Rasmussen. Zablocki and Gallant's point totals drops were depressing. Doubt anyone outside of Rasmussen is ever a meaningful NHL player.
