News Article: DET claims Magnus Hellberg (G)

[norrisnick]

They're not trying to "pull" those guys, we're trying to "pull" Byfield. What else would they do it for?

1st round pick (~15th overall)? No
Bertuzzi? No
Hronek? No
Kasper? No
Edvinsson? No

To suggest we could get a 2nd overall pick that just turned 20 for less is laughable.

Kings are going to have to disregard draft position with Byfield just as the Wings need to with Zadina. Byfield isn't a #2 any more than Zadina is a #6.

They might still con someone out of something as he's a 6'5" center, but right now he's trending the way of Rasmussen.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Ned would be an afterthought throw-in in a deal for Byfield. It's insulting to start off saying "Ned+" when the + is Larkin or Seider

You really think Byfield is worth Larkin or Seider?

 

[izlez]

You really think Byfield is worth Larkin or Seider?

Which other pieces do we have that you think we can get him for?

 

[Snuggs]

Which other pieces do we have that you think we can get him for?

I'll honestly say I don't know. I didn't know how in or out of favor he was out in L.A. I knew he was in the AHL, and wasn't anything spectacular last year with significant time in the NHL but after reading about it, right now he seems to be there(the AHL) more for conditioning purposes... Which I don't understand totally TBH but hey, he's been playing well in the AHL.

Rough to say they'd trade him for a back-up goalie(Neds), prospect(Wallinder) and mid round pick(3rd) which is what I was thinking in my head if he fell out of favor in L.A. Though you didn't really articulate it well, I think you have a point in saying the 2nd overall pick from 2 or 3 years ago isn't being traded without a solid return. I think the Seider/Larkin comments are hyperbolic but, you kind of pointed out that to me about my comments as well.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'll honestly say I don't know. I didn't know how in or out of favor he was out in L.A. I knew he was in the AHL, and wasn't anything spectacular last year with significant time in the NHL but after reading about it, right now he seems to be there(the AHL) more for conditioning purposes... Which I don't understand totally TBH but hey, he's been playing well in the AHL.

Rough to say they'd trade him for a back-up goalie, prospect and mid round pick which is what I was thinking in my head if he fell out of favor in L.A. Though you didn't really articulate it well, I think you have a point in saying the 2nd overall pick from 2 years ago isn't being traded without a solid return. I think the Seider/Larkin comments are hyperbolic but, you kind of pointed out that to me about my comments as well.

He's been bad in the NHL which is why he's down in the AHL. The guy is looking like he won't be much more than a 3rd line winger in the NHL.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Byfield lost a ton of weight with an illness and I guess that's why he's in the AHL? That's what they say anyways. But he's only 20, and look at what Vilardi is doing at 23. From what I've watched of him, nothing impressive but there is still time with him.

I'm sure a ton are pointing to Tage Thompson when talking about Byfield. I think he's in that spot where LA doesn't move him because the return would be garbage, so they might as well run with him and see what happens.

 

[norrisnick]

Byfield lost a ton of weight with an illness and I guess that's why he's in the AHL? That's what they say anyways. But he's only 20, and look at what Vilardi is doing at 23. From what I've watched of him, nothing impressive but there is still time with him.

I'm sure a ton are pointing to Tage Thompson when talking about Byfield. I think he's in that spot where LA doesn't move him because the return would be garbage, so they might as well run with him and see what happens.

Then why is there all this fuss about Zadina around here?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Byfield lost a ton of weight with an illness and I guess that's why he's in the AHL? That's what they say anyways. But he's only 20, and look at what Vilardi is doing at 23. From what I've watched of him, nothing impressive but there is still time with him.

I'm sure a ton are pointing to Tage Thompson when talking about Byfield. I think he's in that spot where LA doesn't move him because the return would be garbage, so they might as well run with him and see what happens.

Vilardi's issue was more health than IQ.

Byfield has been studying at the Brendan Smith school for hockey players that want to learn to play realgud and do other stuff good, too.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Then why is there all this fuss about Zadina around here?

Frustration, I think if Zadina had 13g and 5a like Vilardi there would be no fuss.

 

[izlez]

Kirby Dach got traded for 13th overall and 66th overall.

That's a decent comparable, although in my opinion 20 year and 3 month old Byfield has a good amount more value than 21 year and 5 month old Dach did.

So back to my original point, MAYYYBE a 1st + 3rd + Ned is enough to get it done (I would leap at that opportunity), but our backup goalie is an afterthought in the trade that they tack on and we say "ok whatever take him", not a significant piece

 

[norrisnick]

Frustration, I think if Zadina had 13g and 5a like Vilardi there would be no fuss.

Vilardi is older than Zadina by a year. What did he do last year?

 

[norrisnick]

Kirby Dach got traded for 13th overall and 66th overall.

That's a decent comparable, although in my opinion 20 year and 3 month old Byfield has a good amount more value than 21 year and 5 month old Dach did.

So back to my original point, MAYYYBE a 1st + 3rd + Ned is enough to get it done (I would leap at that opportunity), but our backup goalie is an afterthought in the trade that they tack on and we say "ok whatever take him", not a significant piece

Only in the sense that Byfield's season of not terribly productive hockey hasn't happened yet and Dach's did. Kirby being a righty is also pretty valuable at the center position.

 

[redwings8831]

 

[Henkka]

Call Olkinuora up and let him start against CBJ.

 

[norrisnick]

Call Olkinuora up and let him start against CBJ.

Do you just hate standings points?

 

[Henkka]

Do you just hate standings points?

Seen enough Ned.

Time to experiment other options we have.

 

[ThankGord]

Loopholes! Healthy scratch for 5 games and he's clear to help the Griffins for a couple weeks.

 

[MBH]

Then why is there all this fuss about Zadina around here?

Cause Zadina sucks.
Zadina's not some 6'5 guy growing into his game.
From the start, way before draft day, it was clear Byfield was going to be a long-term project.
The kings have some of the worst player development I've ever seen though.

 

[ColdToiletSeats]

UPDATE: The #RedWings today recalled goaltender Magnus Hellberg from the AHL’s Grand Rapids Griffins.

bye bye Ned

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

UPDATE: The #RedWings today recalled goaltender Magnus Hellberg from the AHL’s Grand Rapids Griffins.

bye bye Ned

I want to see what Hellberg can do if given proper backup duties in the bigs. It can’t be worse than Ned has been this year. Even Calvin Pickard wasn’t that bad.

 

[Henkka]

Husso record: 11-4-4, Pts% 0.684

Ned record: 2-4-2, Pts% 0.375

Man it would be lovely to get a good backup.

Hellberg has really shined vs. other Griffins goalies.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Husso record: 11-4-4, Pts% 0.684

Ned record: 2-4-2, Pts% 0.375

Man it would be lovely to get a good backup.

Hellberg has really shined vs. other Griffins goalies.

So is Ned or Husso injured?

Or is this call up more to see if Hellberg can outplay Ned for backup spot?

 

[Ricelund]

So is Ned or Husso injured?

Or is this call up more to see if Hellberg can outplay Ned for backup spot?

Likely the latter. It puts some pressure on Ned at least.

 

[Oddbob]

Kirby Dach got traded for 13th overall and 66th overall.

That's a decent comparable, although in my opinion 20 year and 3 month old Byfield has a good amount more value than 21 year and 5 month old Dach did.

So back to my original point, MAYYYBE a 1st + 3rd + Ned is enough to get it done (I would leap at that opportunity), but our backup goalie is an afterthought in the trade that they tack on and we say "ok whatever take him", not a significant piece

How does Byfield have more value than Dach? Byfield has been bad in the NHL and Dach has at least put up some pts before this season, and is having a good season this year. Even before this season Dach was the more valuable player. Byfield has bad stats and bad eye test performance.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I want to see what Hellberg can do if given proper backup duties in the bigs. It can’t be worse than Ned has been this year. Even Calvin Pickard wasn’t that bad.

So is Ned or Husso injured?

Or is this call up more to see if Hellberg can outplay Ned for backup spot?

I think it's more to give Ned a little mental break because he's been struggling in the backup role. Instead of continuing to hammer him in every second or third night... let him reset mentally.