Player Discussion Derrick Pouliot, Pt. II: Will not be qualified (again)

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

You can’t blame the guy for playing the minutes he’s been given. He does his best, he’s just not very good.

The blame lies with coaching and management for loading him with poor assignments and too many minutes.

 

[member 290103]

You can’t blame the guy for playing the minutes he’s been given. He does his best, he’s just not very good.

The blame lies with coaching and management for loading him with poor assignments and too many minutes.

Blame lies with Dim Benning who traded for him. He sucks. Dim oughtta realize when teams come willing to move former first rounders that have not planned out that most of the time they have not planned out because they suck. Stop acquiring them, Dim. Your scouting staff is doing a better job supplying you with amateur prospects than you and your horrid pro scouting staff are at supplying you with NHL players.

Pouliot is a minor leaguer, Euro league player.

 

[Jay Cee]

It's obvious what is happening here. We have identified a need in a player who can rush the puck and create some offense in general on the transition. They thought Puoliot might work, but he really hasn't. He has looked ok in some limited spurts, but even then he has not looked good defensively. He is a train wreak defensively.

Hopefully when Hughes comes to town we can end the experiment.

 

[VanJack]

Pouliot goes quiet for awhile, and then has a game like last night where it looks likes he's passing the puck to nobody. Agree that he's a candidate for permanent press box banishment once Hughes is inked in early March.

But Green or Baumgartner who runs the blueline, have to accept some of the brickbats. In what parallel universe could the idea of pairing Pouliot with Gudbranson be considered a 'good idea'? Even as a depth pairing, they're a train-wreck. Do these coaches even look at film?

Jimbo went on radio claiming the Canucks are legitimately 'competing for a playoff spot' . But not with this blueline, they're not. Hughes will make a difference, but the Canucks need a clear-out sale on the back end and a big upgrade.

 

[4Twenty]

You can’t blame the guy for playing the minutes he’s been given. He does his best, he’s just not very good.

The blame lies with coaching and management for loading him with poor assignments and too many minutes.

I kinda get what you're saying, but basically any minutes are too many minutes. He played 9 minutes last night. He's playing sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and stinks in them. He's not an NHL player. He has some NHL skills, but the sum of his parts don't equal an NHLer.

It's funny that people are finally noticing how bad he and Gudbranson are, it's even funnier that they're noticing it now that they're both playing sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and getting torched.

Coach hasn't trusted Pouliot to play more than 20 minutes one time since early November. The only real reason he's in the lineup during that time frame is the team was winning inspite of his ability. Del Zotto was performing much better in the sheltered minutes, the team just wasn't winning and Travis, like Willie in the past didn't want to make a decision. As long as the team was winning he was sticking with it....it's also why Goldobin can't get back in.

 

[Melvin]

Season low ice time last night as Edler took over most of his shifts from the middle of the game.

Should be the last we see of him but won't be. He might sit for a couple games and then back to playing 17 minutes

 

[F A N]

If only Gillis managed to convince the Penguins to trade Sutter, 1st round pick, and Pouliot for Kesler.

 

[mathonwy]

Pouliot goes quiet for awhile, and then has a game like last night where it looks likes he's passing the puck to nobody. Agree that he's a candidate for permanent press box banishment once Hughes is inked in early March.

But Green or Baumgartner who runs the blueline, have to accept some of the brickbats. In what parallel universe could the idea of pairing Pouliot with Gudbranson be considered a 'good idea'? Even as a depth pairing, they're a train-wreck. Do these coaches even look at film?

Jimbo went on radio claiming the Canucks are legitimately 'competing for a playoff spot' . But not with this blueline, they're not. Hughes will make a difference, but the Canucks need a clear-out sale on the back end and a big upgrade.

Here's a hypothesis.

Green is playing 6D chess and sending a not-so-subtle message to the powers that be.

Tanev and Edler are the engine to our offense. Last night Carolina was on them like stink on a monkey so they looked rather pedestrian ... but... when they are going, the team goes with them.

Stecher and Hutton are our future. There's no doubt about this. Both of these players are getting better and more physically solid which absolutely go hand in hand.

Poo and Gud are terrible d-men.

• Poo can only play in 2 out of the 3 zones. Poo does legitimately have an upside as on more than one occasion he has surprised the opponent with a laser of an outlet pass but his brain seems to completely turn off when he's in the dzone. His upside is he doesn't cost much and he can easily be reupped on a Y2Y basis.
• Gud is a major problem for this team. He's signed for two more years and because his crap play isn't a function of learning and motivation (it's an anatomical limitation), benching him won't make a lick of difference aside from pissing him off. Assuming Green doesn't have plans to leave the organization, pissing off Gud is the last thing Travis wants to do.

So as Travis Green, you really only have two realistic options.

1. He can either hide the fact that they are terrible d-men by dragging down whoever you pair them with; or
2. He can shine a spotlight on them like he's doing right now.

Jimbo isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed but I can not imagine that even he would not notice how bad they are. Same with Franky who hilariously live tweeted this during the game before the wheels completely came off.



Gud Poo is love. Gud Poo is life.

The last time we had such an iconic pairing was Sbieksa.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Here's a hypothesis.

Green is playing 6D chess and sending a not-so-subtle message to the powers that be.

Tanev and Edler are the engine to our offense. Last night Carolina was on them like stink on a monkey so they looked rather pedestrian ... but... when they are going, the team goes with them.

Stecher and Hutton are our future. There's no doubt about this. Both of these players are getting better and more physically solid which absolutely go hand in hand.

Poo and Gud are terrible d-men.

• Poo can only play in 2 out of the 3 zones. Poo does legitimately have an upside as on more than one occasion he has surprised the opponent with a laser of an outlet pass but his brain seems to completely turn off when he's in the dzone. His upside is he doesn't cost much and he can easily be reupped on a Y2Y basis.
• Gud is a major problem for this team. He's signed for two more years and because his crap play isn't a function of learning and motivation (it's an anatomical limitation), benching him won't make a lick of difference aside from pissing him off. Assuming Green doesn't have plans to leave the organization, pissing off Gud is the last thing Travis wants to do.

So as Travis Green, you really only have two realistic options.

1. He can either hide the fact that they are terrible d-men by dragging down whoever you pair them with; or
2. He can shine a spotlight on them like he's doing right now.

Jimbo isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed but I can not imagine that even he would not notice how bad they are. Same with Franky who hilariously live tweeted this during the game before the wheels completely came off.



Gud Poo is love. Gud Poo is life.

The last time we had such an iconic pairing was Sbieksa.

Stecher and Hutton aren’t our future. They would be a number 6/7 on a good team. Our future is Hughes maybe Woo and Juolevi and ____,_____,_____,Stecher

Lots of work to be done

 

[VanJack]

It's a nice conspiracy theory, that pairing Pouliot and Gudbranson together is Green's way of clubbing Jimbo and the hockey ops types over their heads with a blunt instrument to reinforce the obvious.

The trouble is Green is like any NHL coach. They desperately want to win and make the playoffs. Because ultimately that's the way they're judged. And watching Green's demeanor on the bench when that pairing collapsed like a cheap camp stool in front of Markstrom in the second period, you could tell he was plenty pissed.

The hard reality is that the Canucks are only one injury away to either Tanev or Edler (or both) from sinking like a rock in the Western Conference. And Jimbo inherited both those guys from the Gillis regime. For that matter he inherited Hutton as well.

Other than Hughes, the Canucks haven't been able to draft, trade or otherwise acquire a single decent d-man in five years. So maybe it's fate and poetic justice that both of Benning's big trade acquisitions on the blueline end up being paired together and are playing their way out of the NHL.

 

[4Twenty]

If only Gillis managed to convince the Penguins to trade Sutter, 1st round pick, and Pouliot for Kesler.

This sounds like imagine if Sundin signed the two-year....didn't happen, but lets grasp at straws.

 

[Zippgunn]

Pouliot is easily the worst player on this team getting regular icetime and this is solely the responsibility of Green who is quickly becoming the Teflon man around here. He is a terrible coach IMHO.

 

[timw33]

Pouliot is easily the worst player on this team getting regular icetime and this is solely the responsibility of Green who is quickly becoming the Teflon man around here. He is a terrible coach IMHO.

That fact that Pouliot wasn't waived this morning says a lot about the competence of this org.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Pouliot is easily the worst player on this team getting regular icetime and this is solely the responsibility of Green who is quickly becoming the Teflon man around here. He is a terrible coach IMHO.

He is a terrible coach because he plays the players his GM gave him?

 

[RobertKron]

If only Gillis managed to convince the Penguins to trade Sutter, 1st round pick, and Pouliot for Kesler.

Good thing Benning fixed that one!!

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Stecher and Hutton aren’t our future. They would be a number 6/7 on a good team. Our future is Hughes maybe Woo and Juolevi and ____,_____,_____,Stecher

Lots of work to be done

Hutton is absolutely a part of the future

 

[DonnyNucker]

Hutton is absolutely a part of the future

I bet he is traded. I don’t believe the org has any faith in the kid and I think their view is justified. He has been better this year but he is still a fringe NHLer imo

 

[Zippgunn]

He is a terrible coach because he plays the players his GM gave him?

Funny how nobody ever said this about Willie D. Neither Vey nor Megna were as awful as Pouliot yet everything was HIS fault. How times change...

 

[MS]

He is a terrible coach because he plays the players his GM gave him?

His GM also gave him Biega and Del Zotto who are far better players than both Pouliot and Gudbranson.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I bet he is traded. I don’t believe the org has any faith in the kid and I think their view is justified. He has been better this year but he is still a fringe NHLer imo

Don’t have faith in him, a fringe nhler?
Except his average ice times per game is the second highest among skaters behind Edler.

 

[Hit the post]

His GM also gave him Biega and Del Zotto who are far better players than both Pouliot and Gudbranson.

Dale Tallon suiting up might be able to play better than Pouliot right now. Heck, Jim Benning could also.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Funny how nobody ever said this about Willie D. Neither Vey nor Megna were as awful as Pouliot yet everything was HIS fault. How times change...

Green doesn’t feed offensive black hole offensive zone face off, also he really likes to line match.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Don’t have faith in him, a fringe nhler?
Except his average ice times per game is the second highest among skaters behind Edler.

Well we have a terrible defence. Green doesn’t have much to work with. Does Hutton actually get more ice time then Tanev? That’s f***ed. Maybe it’s due to tanevs injury history

 

[DonnyNucker]

His GM also gave him Biega and Del Zotto who are far better players than both Pouliot and Gudbranson.

I agree at this stage Delzaster and Biega are likely better than Pouliot. EG has sucked but I still think he is an acceptable number 6. He just needs someone steady beside him

 

[Melvin]

His GM also gave him Biega and Del Zotto who are far better players than both Pouliot and Gudbranson.

To be fair Luke Schenn might be better as well.