nyrpassion
Vetted.
I say move G purely on the fact that he is worth more, so we'd get a better return.
Also Cally is our captain.
Also Cally is our captain.
Deathmatch Girardi VS Callahan
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Cally is certainly worth 5 million when you look at his last few seasons, this one has been an odd one, not bad, but just weird.
I'm reading things on the net that Cally has asked for 6 million, but now has come down and the Rangers are getting closer. So 5.5 million does not seem far-fetched.
5 years at 5.5 million should be fine and no one should be upset about that.
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5.5 million for intangibles and inconsistent offense? And constant injuries? No thanks.
When you can post these "things" you're reading, you'll get credibility. I HIGHLY doubt he'll take 5.5 million to stay here.
Machinehead
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I changed the topic/first post a bit to make it more clear what I was getting at with this thread, if you can look at it that would be awesome.
Lion Hound
@JoeTucc26
I think Callahan has the more trade value. Olympian. Captian. He's a warrior. Clubs will pay big bucks.
First rounder plus prospect for Cally all day.
Keep Girardi
First rounder plus prospect for Cally all day.
Keep Girardi
Right now Callahan is already overpaid for what he's giving us
Nothing 5 on 5 and lost his spot on PP to Kreider now to Kreider and pouliot
Also can't stay healthy and has been awful defensively. That game winning goal last night was his fault had his stick facing away from the middle of the ice when there was no passing option on that side left the middle open for that thru pass
He's cost us points all year
He's gotten worse and worse IMO
I wouldn't give him a dime this summer. Not interested. I'd love to go after Vanek personally
Nothing 5 on 5 and lost his spot on PP to Kreider now to Kreider and pouliot
Also can't stay healthy and has been awful defensively. That game winning goal last night was his fault had his stick facing away from the middle of the ice when there was no passing option on that side left the middle open for that thru pass
He's cost us points all year
He's gotten worse and worse IMO
I wouldn't give him a dime this summer. Not interested. I'd love to go after Vanek personally
Girardi I keep..he's a work horse,eats up minutes and well top pairing shut down d men aren't easy to replace,while Callahan is somewhat very replaceable.. Though I would hate to see cally get moved.
phillyb
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i'm glad i'm not the only one. i think it'd be interesting to go after vanek and see what he can do in a blueshirt, though i'm not holding my breathe.
Keep Girardi. Our D looks pretty solid right now, and heading into next year.
McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Klein/Stralman
Moore - Klein/Stralman
Could use a little more offense from them, and I'd have preferred a RH PMD, but this is something we can really work with and it means we'll have trade assets during the year. Right now we have one top pairing RD and two guys who can play second pair. That's fun, but we have no one who can replace G and I don't see where we'd get one. We have Allen (who isn't a RH but plays RD anyway) and McIlrath coming up/along, but no real indication as to how high they can slot in if they make it. Third pairing for both right now. We don't wanna have to push Stralman or Klein (based on what we know) up to first pair for any extended time period. Also, having another solid defensive D means Staal can be available if needed, as lefties are easier to find. He's particularly interesting as a guy who CAN play 1st pairing and would be that guy on some teams but will never do so here due to McD. Though he's definitely good insurance if McD goes down because we certainly don't want Moore slotting up there.
I'm rambling. Point is, a top pairing RHD is a guy you sign unless you're getting a real fantastic deal for him.
Cally, while definitely part of the heart and soul of this team, and one of our homegrown core guys, will cost a lot. If they get him on a good deal then I'm all for it. If he goes for that big money I'd rather let someone else foot the bill and see what we can get for him. He's not what I'd call easily replaceable at all, but he's certainly far more replaceable than Girardi and in a shorter amount of time. I fear it's what he brings to the room that would be the most noticeable loss, however.
McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Klein/Stralman
Moore - Klein/Stralman
Could use a little more offense from them, and I'd have preferred a RH PMD, but this is something we can really work with and it means we'll have trade assets during the year. Right now we have one top pairing RD and two guys who can play second pair. That's fun, but we have no one who can replace G and I don't see where we'd get one. We have Allen (who isn't a RH but plays RD anyway) and McIlrath coming up/along, but no real indication as to how high they can slot in if they make it. Third pairing for both right now. We don't wanna have to push Stralman or Klein (based on what we know) up to first pair for any extended time period. Also, having another solid defensive D means Staal can be available if needed, as lefties are easier to find. He's particularly interesting as a guy who CAN play 1st pairing and would be that guy on some teams but will never do so here due to McD. Though he's definitely good insurance if McD goes down because we certainly don't want Moore slotting up there.
I'm rambling. Point is, a top pairing RHD is a guy you sign unless you're getting a real fantastic deal for him.
Cally, while definitely part of the heart and soul of this team, and one of our homegrown core guys, will cost a lot. If they get him on a good deal then I'm all for it. If he goes for that big money I'd rather let someone else foot the bill and see what we can get for him. He's not what I'd call easily replaceable at all, but he's certainly far more replaceable than Girardi and in a shorter amount of time. I fear it's what he brings to the room that would be the most noticeable loss, however.
BlueshirtBlitz
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zuckera1
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Trade Cally, name McD the captain, buyout Richards, sign Vanek.
Profit.
Vanek - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Fast
Carcillo - Boyle - Dorsett
McD - Girardi
Staal - Klein
Moore - Stralman
Hank
Cam
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I'm in the minority, but I would MUCH rather keep Girardi long-term than Cally long-term. Girardi has been less injury prone, fits a more necessary role, and honestly I think he's more important in the locker-room than Cally at this point. Under Torts Cally was probably more important than he is now and certainly more effective, but let's be honest: Cally's high-risk style isn't affordable. We can't risk paying a guy over 5-6M to sit on IR for months.
Girardi's bound to take a few injuries in the long run, but the fact is-- he's a hell of a blocker and knows where to take the puck effectively. There's a reason that he blocks as many shots as he does and does't have injuries left and right-- he's good at it.
a top 4 RD is hard to come by. a winger is a LOT easier to replace. the room thrives off of both of them.
Girardi's bound to take a few injuries in the long run, but the fact is-- he's a hell of a blocker and knows where to take the puck effectively. There's a reason that he blocks as many shots as he does and does't have injuries left and right-- he's good at it.
a top 4 RD is hard to come by. a winger is a LOT easier to replace. the room thrives off of both of them.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
No doubt these are very difficult decisions to make.
If i have to choose one to keep its Girardi for several reasons:
• He's more durable (knock on wood)
• He's a top defenseman who can log a ton of minutes
• He's a RW D which is hard to find in this league
Unfortunately Callahan is injury prone given his style of play, he's not a surefire top line offensive talent and if he is seeking a big contract on the open market (good for him if he wants to) then you can't lose your captain for nothing.
That being said, if either of these guys are moved at the deadline, you HAVE to get fair value return for them. They've both worked incredibly hard, have climbed the ranks with a level of determination this franchise was lacking for quite sometime. It will be extremely difficult to see either of them go, but you have to run your organization the right way and focus on the future. If it is Cally, he will always be a Ranger imo. A lot of great hockey he's given us over the years, with so much sacrifice.
If i have to choose one to keep its Girardi for several reasons:
• He's more durable (knock on wood)
• He's a top defenseman who can log a ton of minutes
• He's a RW D which is hard to find in this league
Unfortunately Callahan is injury prone given his style of play, he's not a surefire top line offensive talent and if he is seeking a big contract on the open market (good for him if he wants to) then you can't lose your captain for nothing.
That being said, if either of these guys are moved at the deadline, you HAVE to get fair value return for them. They've both worked incredibly hard, have climbed the ranks with a level of determination this franchise was lacking for quite sometime. It will be extremely difficult to see either of them go, but you have to run your organization the right way and focus on the future. If it is Cally, he will always be a Ranger imo. A lot of great hockey he's given us over the years, with so much sacrifice.
