molsonmuscle360
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This, I learned more about edge control from a 2 week figure skating class that a coach made our whole team take, then I probably learned about skating in general from 12 years of power skating before hockey season.
News Article: David Pelletier hired as skating coach
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This, I learned more about edge control from a 2 week figure skating class that a coach made our whole team take, then I probably learned about skating in general from 12 years of power skating before hockey season.
Oh, I thought they got rid of him for David. If they have both, that would be excellent. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Should help the players improve balance and being stronger on their skates .....something desperately needed on this team
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Yeah, from the article:
"Pelletier will work with Player Development Director Rick Carriere and Skills Coach Steve Serdachny."
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I'm happy Serdachny wasn't fired. You can/could see his work in players like Lander, Gagner before he packed on a ton of weight and his injuries, and I know there's at least one more that was pretty considerable.
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That really isn't two guys that I use on my Resume if I was Serdachny. Not yet anyway.
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whats wrong with your reading comprehension?
Don't see it posted.
"The Edmonton Oilers announced today, they have added former Olympic champion David Pelletier to the Oilers development team as the club’s Skating Coach. Pelletier will work closely with Player Development Director Rick Carriere and Skills Coach Steve Serdachny.
Pelletier, 39, is a three-time Canadian Champion, World Champion, Grand-Prix Final Champion and Olympic Gold Medallist. His 2002 Olympic Gold medal marked Canada’s first Olympic Gold in pairs figure skating in 42 years.
The Sayabec, Quebec native has also been inducted into the Skate Canada Hall of Fame, the Canadian Olympic Hall of Fame, the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame and is a recipient of the Lou Marsh Trophy, awarded to outstanding Canadian athletes.
Since retiring from professional figure skating, Pelletier has worked as a power skating coach with several professional and junior athletes as well as members of the Canadian National Women’s team."
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=730754
Edit: of course it's posted right before I get the chance to hit post
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Classic "I only read the thread title and then got mad and posted"
Self control HFers, self control
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Oilers current picture on due diligence appears to be hiring as many people as possible in as many positions as possible. As such we have 3 or more GM's, we have 3 fitness trainers working directly with the club, we have Tyler Dellow type input recruits, we have multiple coaches, we have top heavy laden org with more people used as consultants or running things than we have players on the ice in the NHL.
I know the Oilers have currently landed on "more is better" but another conventional wisdom is too much input can be distracting, confusing, and its hard to tie everything together. "Too many cooks spoil the broth". My other sense in this org is that a guy like Lowe can distract from how useless he is in his role if he just has multiple managers along for the ride and he just collects paychecks for who knows what role. I imagine it won't be long before we have coaching consultants in addition to coaches distracting from Eakins liabilities. As if the thinking of the org is that something will stick if we have more, rather than less chiefs running things.
We have players on this team with noted difficulty adhering to instruction. We've addressed this by hiring more consultants, and multi disciplinary instruction. Maybe this is a good thing, or maybe adds some more confusion. Afaik players on this team are using their own, as well as the teams two skating coaches. We have goalies using their own goalie coach and the goalie coach the team assigns. Some of this can conflict.
Theres a lot of confusing, and micro management here. Maybe consult with players on a case by case basis who they want and who they feel they will benefit most from. Being that these are pro players.
I know the Oilers have currently landed on "more is better" but another conventional wisdom is too much input can be distracting, confusing, and its hard to tie everything together. "Too many cooks spoil the broth". My other sense in this org is that a guy like Lowe can distract from how useless he is in his role if he just has multiple managers along for the ride and he just collects paychecks for who knows what role. I imagine it won't be long before we have coaching consultants in addition to coaches distracting from Eakins liabilities. As if the thinking of the org is that something will stick if we have more, rather than less chiefs running things.
We have players on this team with noted difficulty adhering to instruction. We've addressed this by hiring more consultants, and multi disciplinary instruction. Maybe this is a good thing, or maybe adds some more confusion. Afaik players on this team are using their own, as well as the teams two skating coaches. We have goalies using their own goalie coach and the goalie coach the team assigns. Some of this can conflict.
Theres a lot of confusing, and micro management here. Maybe consult with players on a case by case basis who they want and who they feel they will benefit most from. Being that these are pro players.
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Not to get off topic but Sale and Simpson hooked up AFTER Pelletier and Sale had split up.
Regardless, I don't forsee any tension between Dillon Simpson and David Pelletier.
Regardless, I don't forsee any tension between Dillon Simpson and David Pelletier.
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Why do you over think all these decisions? We have guys that need to work on skating so they brought in someone to help with it. It's not like every players is going to be working with every guy we bring in. But when you have a glaring weakness with some players, why not bring in someone to help?
Then again why should I be shocked. You rarely have anything positive to say about anything on these boards.
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This is like asking why a bear ***** in the woods.
For better or worse I was born this way.
If you want positive from me read the Eskimos thread. I'm very positive there about a team that I consider is very good and that can win it all.
I need to see some results from this team before I get too positive in my view of this team. Plus that what this team does is so easy enough to see through.
What other non competitive clubs have as top heavy a hierarchy as this one? Theres too many chiefs here, jmo I guess.
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I feel so bad after you 100% agreed with me in the other thread
Although is that a good thing?
I agree about the too many chiefs thing, but when it comes to something like this I don't think you can have enough teachers. If all 66 guys in camp had 66 different things to work on, I'd be 100% on board with bringing in 66 guys. When it's something so specific I just don't see how you can go wrong.
It seems the way of current professional sports. You watch any NA sport and the number of guys not in uniform, on the sidelines, that have non-playing roles grows each year. And those are the guys who get to travel with the team. NBA teams have 3 rows of seats. Football uniforms are outnumbered by track suits and golf shirts. Baseball has old guys wearing uniforms.
Specialists are not the problem. It's the management coordinating that is the issue. Oilers management has definitely not proven any good at that.
Specialists are not the problem. It's the management coordinating that is the issue. Oilers management has definitely not proven any good at that.
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I feel so bad after you 100% agreed with me in the other thread
Although is that a good thing?
I agree about the too many chiefs thing, but when it comes to something like this I don't think you can have enough teachers. If all 66 guys in camp had 66 different things to work on, I'd be 100% on board with bringing in 66 guys. When it's something so specific I just don't see how you can go wrong.
haha, its all good.
I don't necessarily agree that bringing in more experts is something that is innately better. This team has a noted tendency to hang onto deadwood. (not saying that specific to skating coaches at all ftr.
But to wit this org employs 19 scouts to the net effect of being able to usually pick reasonable first picks.. and little else. People should be shocked at that number.
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Agreed, and I've stated this in other threads and for instance Tyler Dellow thread. In order to effectively use multidisciplinary inputs you need one strong org leader that ends up effectively utilizing the information coherently. Otherwise you risk noise.
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Well this is an issue and hopefully something that changes.
The scouting is a different ball of wax for me. The only one that really knows if the scouting is good is the GM IMO. We've had similar scouts for the past however many years, but we've had 3 different philosophies since the start of Tambo. How do you fire a scout when it's the GM that mandates what type of player we should take? Really depends who drives which picks and I'm hoping that MacT starts looking back at what his scouts have been feeding him and gets ride of the deadwood as you put it.
Eakins knows this and since football orgs have a coach for every position, he went to Dallas Cowboys camp to learn, which he was also criticized for.
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Eakins was criticized BECAUSE he chose an organization that's just as dysfunctional as the Oilers if not even more so. Had he gone to a team with any kind of credibility it would have been received much differently than it was.
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If I thought for a moment Eakins was coherent himself maybe I would think he could take on a role of someone who combines multiple inputs into a workable sensible plan.
Instead Eakins is a random thought generator susceptible to the latest things he's seen, heard, read.
People say he's a good talker, he's not even that.
Heres what Eakins is good at. He's a curious sponge mopping up anything he's exposed to. The guy has a lot of information on a lot related and entirely unrelated topics. I could probably enjoy talking to a guy like this for awhile.
Eakins problem has more to do with organizing, applying, translating, and fostering what he thinks he knows.
A wise man once said to me that it is comparatively easy to know what needs to be done in a situation. But getting the people involved to do that, and to see that vision through to fruition is the much more challenging part.
Most people in the world kind of assume that once you have a key idea the rest will inevitably follow. In practice it doesn't work out so easily.
Eakins may indeed know a lot about hockey coaching. But he's not translating any of it very well.
I see all these trainers, analysts, coaches and staff as tools. I mean sure you can buy a hammer and screw driver and get by fine but having the right tool for the right job is fine.
Having a skating coach is great. Having one that is a specialist in edging and balance and having one that is a specialist in power skating is great. So when you have a player say like Hall who doesn't have the greatest balance you give them to the one who can help with that, not just the one that can help you go faster.
I like that MacT is doing this, cause if we kick out Eakins at least the new coach will have a strong support structure to walk into cause Eakins had **** all when he came here.
Having a skating coach is great. Having one that is a specialist in edging and balance and having one that is a specialist in power skating is great. So when you have a player say like Hall who doesn't have the greatest balance you give them to the one who can help with that, not just the one that can help you go faster.
I like that MacT is doing this, cause if we kick out Eakins at least the new coach will have a strong support structure to walk into cause Eakins had **** all when he came here.
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My respect for you just changed - I had no idea you have spent countless hours with Eakins which allowed you to determine his personality, his ideology, and his skillset.
Thank you for giving us an indepth personal insight into the man. Much appreciated. Next time you are breaking bread with him say hello for me.
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Only displaying your own ignorance.
Yes, forensic assessments can be done and in many cases are done on the basis of video, audio, written evidence. Psychiatric assessment can be done strictly on video, audio, written evidence. Pre Disposition Reports's (as an aid to sentencing) are often done on the sole basis of written reports. Jurisdiction and sentencing in this country and most of the world is done on written and reported evidence. Apparently any jurisprudence engaged in in the world to you is on flimsy grounds because judges aren't out having coffee with defendants..
Specifically though what makes you think you actually require meeting people to make assessment and report? Face to face meeting is actually a very small component of what is involved in assessment. Anybody performing Psych assessments spends most of their time reading referral background, looking over results of standardized testing and quite often only meet with the client for one hour. At such time that the assessment findings are already had.
This sense that assessment comes from actually directly meeting people comes from nowhere but your imagination.
More specific to these purposes Eakins, as a study, is very much a narrative open book. One for instance is not left wondering about his hockey or other "ideology" when he repeatedly states them. Note as well I stated that he may well have a good coaching knowledge. I mentioned he isn't translating or conveying that knowledge effectively. As per how it gets translated on ice for instance.
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