Confirmed with Link: David Nonis TML GM|Brian Burke Hired as Senior Advisor - II

[jimmycarter]

burke is a multi-millionaire, he can afford to bite the hand that feeds.

 

[Bigleaf]

Purely personal opinions based poll, as very little information is known at this time. What do you think was the main reason behind MLSE board's decision to fire Burke?

I realize some may think there was multiple reasons, just select the most prominent one.

Incompetent, meddling NEW board at MLSE. The timing, I repeat, the TIMING doesn't pass the smell test. They could have fired him right away in August, maybe waited a month until September. October might have been a good time to fire Burkie. November would have sufficed. December, Christmas coming, not the best time but early December, I could live with. NO, MLSE decides January 9, 2013, the day the owners decide to ratify the new CBA is the best time? A few days before training camp opens, trades can be made etc.? WTF is going on? Even Ballard is rolling over in his grave. Laughing stock of the NHL, our Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Ohio Jones]

One thing they've accomplished with this move - the Leafs have (briefly) stolen the city's attention away from the Jays.

 

[Mess]

The new suits running the organization want a more "corporate" (pliable) person running the hockey organization.

Nonis fits the corporate image and is respected for his approach, and doesn't need the spotlight on himself at all times.

So in that regard MLSE made a good choice to fulfill that requirement.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

It's already been reported the George Cope from Bell hated Burke from the first minute and wanted him gone almost immediately.

Good thing he's making hockey ops decisions What a goof.

 

[KPower]

Fired for not trading Gardiner?

Atta boy Burke, much respect.

 

[Rare Jewel]

One thing they've accomplished with this move - the Leafs have (briefly) stolen the city's attention away from the Jays.

Other way round actulley.

 

[Duffman955]

Fired for not trading Gardiner?

Atta boy Burke, much respect.

Not bending over backwards and being a puppet for the board. Thats a stand up guy.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

One thing they've accomplished with this move - the Leafs have (briefly) stolen the city's attention away from the Jays.

For all the wrong reasons.

I'm looking LESS forward to the Leafs season, and am MORE excited for the Jays.

 

[Longshot]

Nonis fits the corporate image and is respected for his approach, and doesn't need the spotlight on himself at all times.

So in that regard MLSE made a good choice to fulfill that requirement.

I have no issues with Nonis. Although, I would have interviewed other candidates from other organizations (but that's only possible if you make a change at GM during the slower portion of the off season).

 

[Hurt]

Fired for not trading Gardiner?

Atta boy Burke, much respect.

This is all hearsay. Don't know why Bob McCown would know more than others. Has anyone else reported this?

 

[jimmycarter]

For all the wrong reasons.

I'm looking LESS forward to the Leafs season, and am MORE excited for the Jays.

me too. i love baseball so much.

 

[KPower]

This is all hearsay. Don't know why Bob McCown would know more than others. Has anyone else reported this?

It is heresay, but we will know soon enough.

 

[4evaBlue]

Incompetent, meddling NEW board at MLSE. The timing, I repeat, the TIMING doesn't pass the smell test. They could have fired him right away in August, maybe waited a month until September. October might have been a good time to fire Burkie. November would have sufficed. December, Christmas coming, not the best time but early December, I could live with. NO, MLSE decides January 9, 2013, the day the owners decide to ratify the new CBA is the best time? A few days before training camp opens, trades can be made etc.? WTF is going on? Even Ballard is rolling over in his grave. Laughing stock of the NHL, our Toronto Maple Leafs.

It was supposed to be a poll, as I was curious to see a tally of what people think, but it was not meant to be.

I agree with you. To me, it also comes down to timing.

If it's a decision based on his performance, there's nothing that's changed between the time when Rogers/Sportsnet took over to now. I really don't buy that reason.

If it's his conduct with the media/board. I'm sure it may have bothered some people on the board, but did something happen during the lockout in this respect that was the last straw? Doubtful.

This leaves me to think that the decision does in fact have to do with a Luongo trade disagreement.

The fact that we have a board full of self-proclaimed hockey experts does not bode well for the future of the franchise.

 

[Longshot]

For all the wrong reasons.

I'm looking LESS forward to the Leafs season, and am MORE excited for the Jays.

I'm actually fascinated by what the start of the season will bring.

It would not surprise me at all if this team gets off to a Raptor-like start and is buried before the first 20 games are up (I have this awful feeling that Carlyle is going to be an epic debacle as a coach).

However, there are days I think that Reimer is going to bounce back and carry this team and they're going to be a lot better than anybody thought.

In other word, I have no idea what is going to happen when the puck drops and today just adds to that.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Good thing he's making hockey ops decisions What a goof.

pretty much.

 

[IBeL34f]

It was supposed to be a poll, as I was curious to see a tally of what people think, but it was not meant to be.

I agree with you. To me, it also comes down to timing.

If it's a decision based on his performance, there's nothing that's changed between the time when Rogers/Sportsnet took over to now. I really don't buy that reason.

If it's his conduct with the media/board. I'm sure it may have bothered some people on the board, but did something happen during the lockout in this respect that was the last straw? Doubtful.

This leaves me to think that the decision does in fact have to do with a Luongo trade disagreement.

The fact that we have a board full of self-proclaimed hockey experts does not bode well for the future of the franchise.

Maybe if a couple of them disagree on something they'll fire each other.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I haven't read past this page since I left earlier but if anyone is questioning Burke's drafting giving this team a better cupboard than we've had in decades while he was GM that's flat out wrong. And with quality high-picks that are still in the organization or have been turned (ex Schenn to JVR) into assets rather than disappearing into zilch (exTlusty) like has been the result of drafts before Burke took over here.

But who turned Tlusty (who seems to be on the cusp of being a good asset) into Philippe Paradis?

I believe his initials are BB.

Wrong example.

 

[Longshot]

I have to go for dinner, but I'm really interested in finding out what brought the Rogers people around to wanting to fire Burke.

From how it's been reported throughout the day, by various reports, the Bell guys didn't want Burke at all and Bell and Rogers have agreed to vote as a block (hard to believe that's going to work well going forward) in order to control the direction of the team and sideline Tannenbaum.

So, in order for them to make a move to remove Burke the Rogers half of that partnership would have to come on board in recent days. I'm curious to find out how that came about. Perhaps that's where the Luongo speculation comes into it.

 

[Leafidelity]

But who turned Tlusty (who seems to be on the cusp of being a good asset) into Philippe Paradis?

I believe his initials are BB.

Wrong example.

Paradis became Versteeg. I wouldnt take Tlusty back for free.

 

[Ohio Jones]

I have no issues with Nonis. Although, I would have interviewed other candidates from other organizations (but that's only possible if you make a change at GM during the slower portion of the off season).

This was clearly a reactionary decision made in response to a particular trigger incident. Never mind that you can make a perfectly reasonable case for firing Burke based on performance, the timing and haste of the decision makes it obvious that the firing - and Nonis' subsequent promotion - came in response to a particular tipping point that gave those who wanted Burke gone the ammunition they needed.

What that was - whether it was the rumoured profanity at a board meeting, for example - we may not know for years if ever. But unless it was something they simply couldn't have kept him on after (I won't speculate as to what that might be) then the timing is poor, and doesn't do anything to help the new ownership's reputation.

In summary: yuck.

 

[Erdinger]

Absolutely shocked by the timing. Not trying to be a goof here but for Burke's health this might be a good thing. He's been looking like a heart attack waiting to happen for the last couple of years

 

[Leaf Rocket]

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