David Desharnais - Black or White Edition

[pepperMonkey]

Now, with Emelin gone, it seems we're in for a huge humiliation, which is unacceptable. That ONE injury crushed what was otherwise a good gameplan by MB, and he couldn't anticipate it/shouldn't have tried an insurance top4 (aka a rock solid 5th who would have cost us). We'll look back in a few years and be thankful. Just think McDo.

Oh come now, that's just unfair. We could have lost Price....do we have a replacement? We could lose Pleks, do we have a replacement for the playoffs? Subban? Etc. etc. There are so many ways we could be f*&ked. The fact that MB didn't anticipate and have a back up for Emelin isn't a failure. If it is, then he also failed because he doesn't have a backup plan for Price, Pleks, etc. etc. There is just no way to have a foolproof backup for such situations unless you have a raft of class A+ players waiting in the wings (impossible).

McDo is a totally different situation. That was just a bad bad trade. Not as bad as say Raycroft for Rask but bad enough.

 

[WakeUpNHL]

Oh come now, that's just unfair. We could have lost Price....do we have a replacement? We could lose Pleks, do we have a replacement for the playoffs? Subban? Etc. etc. There are so many ways we could be f*&ked. The fact that MB didn't anticipate and have a back up for Emelin isn't a failure. If it is, then he also failed because he doesn't have a backup plan for Price, Pleks, etc. etc. There is just no way to have a foolproof backup for such situations unless you have a raft of class A+ players waiting in the wings (impossible).

McDo is a totally different situation. That was just a bad bad trade. Not as bad as say Raycroft for Rask but bad enough.

This is just wrong.

Did Pittsburgh trade for replacements for Crosby or Letang?
Did LA trade for replacements for Quick or Doughty?
Did Boston trade for replacements for Rask or Chara?

Those are all top guys you are s**t out of luck if they get injured.

We needed DEPTH additions on D and Bergevin failed miserably in that respect.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

This is just wrong.

Did Pittsburgh trade for replacements for Crosby or Letang?
Did LA trade for replacements for Quick or Doughty?
Did Boston trade for replacements for Rask or Chara?

Those are all top guys you are s**t out of luck if they get injured.

We needed DEPTH additions on D and Bergevin failed miserably in that respect.

Isn't Drewiske a DEPTH addition?

We have lots of depth for our bottom pairing right now with guys like Drewiske, Weber, Kaberle, Pateryn, St-Denis, Tinordi and Beaulieu.. the thing we could've used was a top 4 defenseman with size but for the prices that Murray and Regehr went for Bergevin did the right thing and didn't overpay for someone.

 

[WakeUpNHL]

Isn't Drewiske a DEPTH addition?

We have lots of depth for our bottom pairing right now with guys like Drewiske, Weber, Kaberle, Pateryn, St-Denis, Tinordi and Beaulieu.. the thing we could've used was a top 4 defenseman with size but for the prices that Murray and Regehr went for Bergevin did the right thing and didn't overpay for someone.

lol. Depth? Those 7 guys don't have 20 games played this year COMBINED!

You think we are gonna go far in the p[layoffs with that depth this year?

 

[pepperMonkey]

It took a long time for Habs to give up on Gomer. Good NHL teams support their players, as they should. But the clock is ticking, and the first guy who knows this is DD.

A long time? A season and a half? How is that a long time? He was good the first year he was here. Had a bad following season, then continued his crappy play the next season...That's not really a long time. Most players have off years. Gomez just never got out of his.

As for DD, it's only his second full season in the NHL, it's not as if he's been sucking for a long time. Heck, even Pleks had longer stretches of playing bad (well, offensively anyhow). Everyone has bad seasons, DD just happens to be in one, in a shortened season and in his 2nd full season in the NHL to boot. At this rate, Price, Subban, Pleks etc. etc. should have all been thrown out the window. If DD is bad next year as well, then yes, his position on the team should be change (traded, moved to the minors, play on the wing etc. etc.).
That's not to say I don't believe he should be demoted or anything. He should have his minutes reduced. He should have his lines changed (well, Patches moved to someplace else anyhow). He should definitely be taken off the PP or at least drastically reduced. etc. etc. But it's way way too early to just give up on him (although, giving up on him as a 1st or 2nd line C is probably safe bet considering the young guys on our team). Giving up on a player after 42 games of struggling is just a panic move. Yes, we have great players coming along but that doesn't mean DD has nothing left.
What happens if we get rid of DD for whatever, then Eller, Chuckie or Gally sh*ts the fan? It certainly can happen and wouldn't be at all surprising. Do we throw them under the train as well after a bad season? I think people needs to calm down a bit. He's only been crap for 42 games.

 

[pepperMonkey]

We needed DEPTH additions on D and Bergevin failed miserably in that respect.

Forget about our star players then. We frankly need more depth in all positions. As do all teams. Lose Gally, what winger is going to step in his shoes? Patches is doing diddly this year, Gio? Prust is already hurt, etc. etc. If Eller goes down? DD isn't going to fill in this year (though he should be doing better than Eller to begin with...). Gorges goes down then who's going to bring those quiet shot blocking tenacity that he brings? There is soooooo many ways to screw this team up because of injuries. MB brought in depth D, and unless we are willing to PAY dearly for legit D's, there was no way to anticipate, nor shore up backups for such a long term injury to Emelin.

 

[InglewoodJack]

Oh, boo hoo Bergevin didn't find a rental top 4 D man in a season which is very much still a step (albeit a possible late step) in the process of rebuilding. MB, Molson, Therrien, everyone knes this isn't *the year*. Maybe next year. Maybe the year after. But if anyone thinks that this is the year where you need to get a good rental D is ridiculous. The price wouldn'tve been worth it.

 

[onemorecup*]

This is just wrong.

Did Pittsburgh trade for replacements for Crosby or Letang?
Did LA trade for replacements for Quick or Doughty?
Did Boston trade for replacements for Rask or Chara?

Those are all top guys you are s**t out of luck if they get injured.

We needed DEPTH additions on D and Bergevin failed miserably in that respect.

agreed , this year is gravy and in the playoffs

wtf more u want coming from 15th

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

lol. Depth? Those 7 guys don't have 20 games played this year COMBINED!

You think we are gonna go far in the p[layoffs with that depth this year?

There is a difference between lacking depth and lacking higher end talent. Those guys are depth defenseman. We have a lot of depth on our defense but we lack top 4 defensemen who can eat minutes, especially with Emelin and Diaz out. You won't find many teams in the league who have #8 or #9 defenseman that can step in and play 18-22 quality minutes a game.

 

[ECWHSWI]

This is just wrong.

Did Pittsburgh trade for replacements for Crosby or Letang?
Did LA trade for replacements for Quick or Doughty?
Did Boston trade for replacements for Rask or Chara?

Those are all top guys you are s**t out of luck if they get injured.

We needed DEPTH additions on D and Bergevin failed miserably in that respect.

time you wakeUp and realize Drewiskie and co are exactly that, depth players (rookies having more upside obviously), depth players arent the type to replace top 4 D or top 6 F and do as good as the players they're replacing... otherwise they'd be top 4 D and top 6 F themselves, not depth players...

if Drewiskie was more than depth D he would have cost way more than a 5th rounder, same for O'Byrne who was traded for a 4th.

 

[WakeUpNHL]

agreed , this year is gravy and in the playoffs

wtf more u want coming from 15th

This is a funny statement coming for a guy named 'onemorecup'!

Anytime year you are a top team you need to think about winning the Stanely Cup.

But I guess habs fans now are happy just making the playoffs.

 

[InglewoodJack]

This is a funny statement coming for a guy named 'onemorecup'!

Anytime year you are a top team you need to think about winning the Stanely Cup.

But I guess habs fans now are happy just making the playoffs.

...? Most fans know that this isn't realistically a cup winning year. A lot of things went right, and the habs are a far better team than they were last year. But there's still a few pieces missing. I can see Bergevin grab a few pieces in the offseason and really go for it next year or the year after.

 

[WakeUpNHL]

...? Most fans know that this isn't realistically a cup winning year. A lot of things went right, and the habs are a far better team than they were last year. But there's still a few pieces missing. I can see Bergevin grab a few pieces in the offseason and really go for it next year or the year after.

Ya right.. just like the Rangers heh?

This year the Habs did not have any injuries to core players. Who says that's so next year?
This year was a shortened season. Next year our smaller players will need to go 82 games.

I guess the 1986 habs, with 8 rookies in the lineup should have not bothered showing up to play the playoffs that year.
It's a shame really.

 

[Wats]

Ya right.. just like the Rangers heh?

This year the Habs did not have any injuries to core players. Who says that's so next year?
This year was a shortened season. Next year our smaller players will need to go 82 games.

I guess the 1986 habs, with 8 rookies in the lineup should have not bothered showing up to play the playoffs that year.
It's a shame really.

If the team is so pathetic that it won't be able to be nearly as good next season with same core ass one injury would cause it to be bad then it's a smart move not going for it. Good teams, see Penguins, Bruins, Hawks, etc, can have injuries to core players and be good.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ya right.. just like the Rangers heh?

This year the Habs did not have any injuries to core players. Who says that's so next year?
This year was a shortened season. Next year our smaller players will need to go 82 games.

I guess the 1986 habs, with 8 rookies in the lineup should have not bothered showing up to play the playoffs that year.
It's a shame really.

But now we do have injuries to core players. What the **** difference does it make if it happens now or then?

You have no idea how to manage a team. You can't splurge at the deadline every year to try to make 8th and you can't splurge every half season that you look like contenders. Reason why Toronto has been so god awfully bad for so long.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Isn't Drewiske a DEPTH addition?

We have lots of depth for our bottom pairing right now with guys like Drewiske, Weber, Kaberle, Pateryn, St-Denis, Tinordi and Beaulieu.. the thing we could've used was a top 4 defenseman with size but for the prices that Murray and Regehr went for Bergevin did the right thing and didn't overpay for someone.

Well adding a 7th defenseman to a team full of 7th defenseman is not really a depth addition. Adding a defenseman that puts Bouillon on the 7th spot is adding depth.

 

[Clippy]

Guys, this is a Dayhernee thread

 

[WeThreeKings]

Guys, this is a Dayhernee thread

He's our best PP center. You spell his name correctly and pay homage to his picture on your girlfriend's wall.

 

[VAN-HAB]

If Gulcheniuk had the same ice time and power play time as Desharnais he would had 10 more points than him.
Desharnais doesn't deserve his ice time, give it to Galchenyuk

 

[Mrb1p]

If the team is so pathetic that it won't be able to be nearly as good next season with same core ass one injury would cause it to be bad then it's a smart move not going for it. Good teams, see Penguins, Bruins, Hawks, etc, can have injuries to core players and be good.

Boston can't have Bergeron injured. And I doubt they can have Chara injured.
Hawks can't have one of their two C injured for a long period of time.
The only team that can stay good with their core players going down is Pittsburgh.

 

[Mrb1p]

If Gulcheniuk had the same ice time and power play time as Desharnais he would had 10 more points than him.
Desharnais doesn't deserve his ice time, give it to Galcheniuk

I've been saying that since forever... Galchenyuk would be the front runner for the Calder now ...

 

[VAN-HAB]

I've been saying that since forever... Galchenyuk would be the front runner for the Calder now ...

Yes for sure. He doesn't play in the power play and has one point less than Desharnais. Pathetic.

 

[Clippy]

I don't understand why some think that Desharnais is more ready to play centre on the powerplay than Galchenyuk. I mean, it's clearly not working at the moment. So why not give the chance to an elusive player that has the potential of blowing us all away, such as Galchenyuk or Eller.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't understand why some think that Desharnais is more ready to play centre on the powerplay than Galchenyuk. I mean, it's clearly not working at the moment. So why not give the chance to an elusive player that has the potential of blowing us all away, such as Galchenyuk or Eller.

Because that would make sense.

 

[NewHabsEra*]

I don't understand why some think that Desharnais is more ready to play centre on the powerplay than Galchenyuk. I mean, it's clearly not working at the moment. So why not give the chance to an elusive player that has the potential of blowing us all away, such as Galchenyuk or Eller.

Pretty simple, they dont want to give too many responsabilities to the 19 years old kid, next year will be another story but I understand their phylosophy right now.. Also, Desharnais has to justify his new contract..