Proposal: David Backes for Karl Alzner + rational

[crowi]

Nvm dumb comment

 

[JOKER 192]

Still , got 7.3m at the moment. + 2.5M Miller, + 1/3 of Moore is about 1M + Backes to the Providence 1M + Kamper to Providence when Moore returns about .6M = 12.5M . Should be enough , especially if one or both of McAvoy and Carlo do bridge deals. There is also the possibility of trading Moore before he returns.

 

[viceroy]

Would rather try to get Bobby Ryan from the Sens. We send over maybe a 2nd and a B prospect with Alzner and Melnyk saves like almost 8 million dollars over the next 3 years.

 

[TT1]

Would rather try to get Bobby Ryan from the Sens. We send over maybe a 2nd and a B prospect with Alzner and Melnyk saves like almost 8 million dollars over the next 3 years.

Ryan is a useless body tho, i dont even like him on the 4th line. With Backes, that at least gives us an elite 4C for 1 season (and stylistically hes the type of player we lack). Doesn't seem like much but having 4 really strong lines would create a lot of matchup headaches for opposing teams.

Imagine having Cousins/Backes/Weal on the 4th line, or Poehling instead of Cousins.

 

[Lukin1978]

Junk for junk

 

[WJCJ]

I think that if the Bruins need the cap space and decide that moving Backes is how they are going to get it, then it would be easier and more cost effective to retain half of Backes salary before he gets his bonus. That could in effect make his last year practically free to any team that takes him and they would only be paying him a couple of million this season while he would have a $6 million cap hit each year. That’s exactly the kind of deal that a rebuilding small market team would take on for a B level prospect or mid round pick in my opinion and it frees up about 15 times more cap space than this deal would.

 

[DKH]

He played in a fog at the end - his reactions and great hands not what they were

I expect the doctor to tell him he’s risking long term health

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...ers-david-backes-has-his-mind-concussions?amp

I think legit goes on LTIR

 

[boredmale]

For some weird reason I thought Backes was bought out. I guess that was just a rumor

 

[xNogaitx]

Based on the above comments, maybe a slight tweak?

Boston:
Alzner ($625,000 retained - 13.5%)
Thompson (Replacement for Backes as a 4C.)

Montreal:
Backes
2021 Bos 5th rd pick

Boston:
19/20 (Alzner in minors): Cap savings of $3.075M
The assumption here is that the added cap space allows Boston to lock in both Carlo & McAvoy long-term.
20/21 (Alzner bought out): Cap savings of $2.576M
21/22: Cap cost of $1.694M
22/23: Cap cost of $720,833
23/24: Cap cost of $720,833

Montreal:
The assumption is Backes gets flipped at the TDL at 50% retention for a 2nd rd pick.
Bergevin loves to tweak is bottom 6 and that would be a clear upgrade. Takes advantage of the Habs' 19/20 extra cap space, and brings in cap savings for the next few years.

 

[viceroy]

Based on the above comments, maybe a slight tweak?

Boston:
Alzner ($625,000 retained - 13.5%)
Thompson (Replacement for Backes as a 4C.)

Montreal:
Backes
2021 Bos 5th rd pick

Montreal:
The assumption is Backes gets flipped at the TDL at 50% retention for a 2nd rd pick.

So you want:
A. The Habs to retain.
B. To add Thompson
C. To accept only a 5th Rounder as Sweetener.
D. To believe someone will take on Backes at the Trade Deadline.

What you don't get is:
A. Backes is barely an NHL 4th line RW at present.
B. He still has TWO years to go on his contract so no one will grab him at the TDL.
C. The fact he has TWO years left reduces our Cap flexibility for the 2020-21 season.
D. Why do we do Boston any favours?

 

[xNogaitx]

So you want:
A. The Habs to retain.
B. To add Thompson
C. To accept only a 5th Rounder as Sweetener.
D. To believe someone will take on Backes at the Trade Deadline.

What you don't get is:
A. Backes is barely an NHL 4th line RW at present.
B. He still has TWO years to go on his contract so no one will grab him at the TDL.
C. The fact he has TWO years left reduces our Cap flexibility for the 2020-21 season.
D. Why do we do Boston any favours?

Backes is the type of guy that, if you retain half of his contract at the TDL, you might have a team offering a 2nd round pick for him (See Plecanek type trade for reference).

So, the point of this trade for the Habs is:
A) Get out from under a bad contract a year earlier. Backes buyout next year is roughly same AAV, but one fewer year.
B) You make some room for rookies. Habs have 25 NHL contracts so they need to do quantities for quality anyway.
C) Worst case scenario, you get a 5th to take on an extra $2.625M of cap unused cap space this year & save a year of buyout money when money will be tighter due to the young guys.
D) Best case scenario, you flip Alzner, Thompson, and unused cap space for a 5th and say a 2nd rd pick as well.

Yeah, of course, this helps Boston, but this also helps Montreal a fair bit.
Short-term advantage goes to Boston.
Long-term advantage goes to Montreal.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If you give the Canes a 1st, they'll happily take Backes next year with no buyout hits at all. This year, they have Marleau on the books, so no cap space ATM, but they'll have a lot next year.

 

[HabsAddict]

Habs will start the season with 6M in cap space anyways, there's no way of spending it. The most they might do is give a safe contract to Gardiner, if not they'll just keep the cap space. Might as well do something positive with it.... right? Adding Backes and subtracting Alzer is a team upgrade at no expense.

Bonus: free up a bit more money next year (no buyout needed)

No. You don't ad a 4th line player just to use cap space.

I'm a huge critic of Mol$on and BBinz but this isn't about money, this is inserting an old, slow, barely functioning piece.

Pass.

 

[viceroy]

Backes is the type of guy that, if you retain half of his contract at the TDL, you might have a team offering a 2nd round pick for him (See Plecanek type trade for reference).

So, the point of this trade for the Habs is:
A) Get out from under a bad contract a year earlier. Backes buyout next year is roughly same AAV, but one fewer year.
C) Worst case scenario, you get a 5th to take on an extra $2.625M of cap unused cap space this year & save a year of buyout money when money will be tighter due to the young guys.
D) Best case scenario, you flip Alzner, Thompson, and unused cap space for a 5th and say a 2nd rd pick as well.

First of all there is no way anyone takes Backes off our hands at this year's TDL since he has another year left on his contract not unless we add a sweetener or we get a contract just as bad in return. Secondly we'll have one of two choices next year either we buy him out then we get hit with a 4mil Cap hit in 2020-21 and 1 million 2021-2 or we keep him and his 6mil per contract and hope we can unload him at next year's TDL possibly retaining 50%.

If we keep Alzner then we either pay him his 4.6 mil per for the next 3 seasons minus roughly 1 mil if we send him down in the AHL so I believe we get hit with a 3.7 Cap hit for that term. Now if we buy him out next year then it's 4mil in 2020-21, 2mil 2021-22, 1 mil 2022-23 and 1 mil for 23-24.

Now either guy bones us for 2020-21 a crucial year for us with contracts needing to be signed. So a big old poop sandwich with both dudes.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Still , got 7.3m at the moment. + 2.5M Miller, + 1/3 of Moore is about 1M + Backes to the Providence 1M + Kamper to Providence when Moore returns about .6M = 12.5M . Should be enough , especially if one or both of McAvoy and Carlo do bridge deals. There is also the possibility of trading Moore before he returns.

You don't get 1/3 of Moore.

LTIR does NOT accumulate based on days on LTIR.

You need to have the full cap hit available to replace him.

In practice, LTIR works well for callups (who you send back down to free up the space) or for guys out for the season. It doesn't really work to let you add contracts when that player is going to come back during the same season. Its a bit of a funny rule the way they wrote it in the CBA.

I used to think it could be added up by days too, but it doesn't.

LTIR FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[JOKER 192]

Ok, thanks for the info.