Value of: Danault (with extension) to SJ or NYR

[Techcoockie]

What would the ask be for Danault?

I love Buch, Could see a mid 2020 first + buch for Danault with an agreed extension in place

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I love Buch, Could see a mid 2020 first + buch for Danault with an agreed extension in place

As many Rangers fans have said previously, Buch+1st is way too much. One or the two and there’s a template for a deal.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I mean.... they do happen..... it's not some magic that WE fans invented, it happens......

Hockey's version of it is more the trade & sign but I think it's merely semantics. The process is though that the teams work out a trade then the acquiring team talks to the player about a new contract and if he comes to terms or they're at a point the team is okay with processing the deal, they will complete the deal. So that being the case, the team trading the player, will not get true signing value out of the trade. They're trading an expiring or a one year left player rather than a signed player. It's a distinction worth noting when gauging trade value.

 

[Hunter368]

I mean.... they do happen..... it's not some magic that WE fans invented, it happens......

OS also technically happen......but are uncommon. GM’s & players simply don’t do it often.

 

[Techcoockie]

OS also technically happen......but are uncommon. GM’s & players simply don’t do it often.

we'll see that this year! it's supposed to be the OS year

 

[Hunter368]

we'll see that this year! it's supposed to be the OS year

We’ll see......we hear that every year.

 

[Dr Quincy]

He doesn't make any sense for San Jose, who don't have much room under the cap and also already have Couture and Hertl.

Move either to wing.

SJ has a big problem in their top 6. This helps. Whether they have the assets for it is a different question.

 

[ToDavid]

I don't think "with extension" improves the value of a rental as much as HF thinks it does. The fact is, even if the player is willing to negotiate an extension in principal before the trade, the trading team is still only trading away 1 year. Because if that player is willing to negotiate an extension now, he'll be willing to talk to this team in 12 months when he's a UFA. The acquiring team may pay a bit more because of the certainty, but the trading team does not have a tremendous amount of leverage.

Stone, Pacioretty, were both reported to have discussed extensions beforehand and signed shortly after being traded. They both returned futures, typical of high end rentals. They returned good futures packages, yes, but futures packages nonetheless. (and yes I understand Pacioretty did return Tatar, who has become a key roster player for them, but at the time he was basically a throw away for Vegas).

I don't really recall the last time a player with one year left was traded in a pure "hockey trade" (unless the player coming back also had only one year, like Staal/Johansson)/

 

[Mackiaveli]

Buchnevich would be your best winger.

Yes, career high 21G/46 points Buchnevich would be better than 60+ point Tatar and 30 goal Gallagher

 

[themelkman]

Move either to wing.

SJ has a big problem in their top 6. This helps. Whether they have the assets for it is a different question.

The question is not wether we have the assets, its if this is what we want to spend it on. Its like a kid in a toy store that gets one toy, you dont always want to pick the one at the front of the shop because you miss out on better ones.

 

[Kupo]

I love Buch, Could see a mid 2020 first + buch for Danault with an agreed extension in place

The Rangers want absolutely nothing to do with this scenario.

We don’t want Danault given his age and upcoming contract he’ll demand.

 

[Barnaby]

Some team may pay a Kings ransom for Danault. That team is not the NYR’s.

 

[Techcoockie]

The Rangers want absolutely nothing to do with this scenario.

We don’t want Danault given his age and upcoming contract he’ll demand.

yes 27 years old is too old for the Rangers core

 

[Kupo]

yes 27 years old is too old for the Rangers core

He’ll be a 28 UFA after next season looking for 7+ years. That doesn’t fit what Gorton has been building here in NY.

 

[Techcoockie]

He’ll be a 28 UFA after next season looking for 7+ years. That doesn’t fit what Gorton has been building here in NY.

Exactly the same 1993 year as your #1 center. Both 27 years old. idk but imo it would fit amazingly

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yes, career high 21G/46 points Buchnevich would be better than 60+ point Tatar and 30 goal Gallagher

Thats misleading. Buchnevich has never had a top 6 role before this season. This season he was on pace for 55 points. He doesn't play PP1, has consistently had great analytics throughout his career, and has consistently scored at a very high rate for the minutes he gets.

Tatar and Gallagher are nothing great. Gallagher is a career 50 point per 82 game guy, Tatar is a career 49 point per 82 game guy. Their numbers are a little inflated in recent seasons because they are first line, PP1, big minutes guys for Montreal due to their lack of depth. Buchnevich is also a career 49 point per 82 game guy, but unlike those others, has had much less of an opportunity to play a big role. There's no reason to believe he'd fare any worse than those guys as a top line winger for the Habs.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Exactly the same 1993 year as your #1 center. Both 27 years old. idk but imo it would fit amazingly

Age is about all Zibanejad and Danault have in common.

 

[Techcoockie]

Age is about all Zibanejad and Danault have in common.

True, Zib is not a Selke contender

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The question is not wether we have the assets, its if this is what we want to spend it on. Its like a kid in a toy store that gets one toy, you dont always want to pick the one at the front of the shop because you miss out on better ones.

If the ask is a top six winger, it does nothing to help us. That's what it sounds like in this thread. Danault would be a fantastic player to have but we don't have available what Montreal would seemingly want so we'll likely have to look elsewhere. The most likely scenario for the Sharks is to pick off a top six forward at the expense of a draft pick mostly or sign one overpriced in the free agent market. There's only a long shot that we'd trade something else to get that sort of a player and we'd be looking at Burns to do it.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He’ll be a 28 UFA after next season looking for 7+ years. That doesn’t fit what Gorton has been building here in NY.

If he wants a reasonable ask, I don't see why he doesn't fit our window. If his ask is ridiculous, I agree. He's not that good that with a bad contract it'd make sense to trade for him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

True, Zib is not a Selke contender

Keep going and it will come to you.

 

[Kupo]

If he wants a reasonable ask, I don't see why he doesn't fit our window. If his ask is ridiculous, I agree. He's not that good that with a bad contract it'd make sense to trade for him.

He’s already stated he’s not happy in a 3C role. He sees himself as a top-6 Center.

I think you’re looking into the 5.5-6M territory which I dislike over the next 7 years. I’d rather re-up on Strome for a year or two and groom Chytil than move assets for Danault and sign him to that kind of contract.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He’s already stated he’s not happy in a 3C role. He sees himself as a top-6 Center.

I think you’re looking into the 5.5-6M territory which I dislike over the next 7 years. I’d rather re-up on Strome for a year or two and groom Chytil than move assets for Danault and sign him to that kind of contract.

I think Danault is a 2C. If he's looking for the same as Strome, I'm taking Danault.

I'm not against giving Chytil a chance as the 2C. What I don't want is to go much longer with Strome as the 2C. He's not a long-term solution. We need to start finding the solution at 2C immediately rather than punting it down the road.

 

[Gains]

I know Lafreniere speaks english just fine, but it would be nice for him to have a veteran from his province (also french speaker) with him for his first few seasons. When you have such a promising superstar, all the little details like this matter and it would give him someone with familiarity. Going from a small city in Quebec to New York City at 19 is hard for a kid.


I don't know what the Rangers can offer, but I'd be looking for a return similar to what they got for Stepan.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I know Lafreniere speaks english just fine, but it would be nice for him to have a veteran from his province (also french speaker) with him for his first few seasons. When you have such a promising superstar, all the little details like this matter and it would give him someone with familiarity. Going from a small city in Quebec to New York City at 19 is hard for a kid.


I don't know what the Rangers can offer, but I'd be looking for a return similar to what they got for Stepan.

Stepan was signed when he was traded.