Dan Girardi: Part III

[eco's bones]

gap control excellent? he let's guy walk in so far! ovechkin did it twice in the eastern semis

Speaking of the eastern semis--Game 6 Caps ahead in the series 3 games to two--can finish the series at home.

Caps had 7:40 of PWP time in game 6. Ovechkin plays 6:55 seconds of that or just about all of it. Ovechkin scores no points in game 6--none 5 on 5--none on the PWP. Girardi plays 5:59 of the PK for the Rangers. McDonagh is second with 4:00. That's an astounding amount of PK time in a do or die game in the opponents arena for the Rangers and the Rangers win 4-3--go back to MSG for game 7 and beat the Caps in OT to take the series.

 

[Doctyl]

So we're crediting Girardi for making it to the ECF now?

 

[Radek27]

So we're crediting Girardi for making it to the ECF now?

Yes that is exactly what his post says.

 

[Tawnos]

Girardi deserves part of the credit for all of the success the team has had, so yeah... I credit Girardi for making it to the ECF. He didn't do it alone. But they did it, so he did it.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Speaking of the eastern semis--Game 6 Caps ahead in the series 3 games to two--can finish the series at home.

Caps had 7:40 of PWP time in game 6. Ovechkin plays 6:55 seconds of that or just about all of it. Ovechkin scores no points in game 6--none 5 on 5--none on the PWP. Girardi plays 5:59 of the PK for the Rangers. McDonagh is second with 4:00. That's an astounding amount of PK time in a do or die game in the opponents arena for the Rangers and the Rangers win 4-3--go back to MSG for game 7 and beat the Caps in OT to take the series.

That's because G is one of the best penalty killers in the league. It allows him to play to his strong suits.

 

[BleedingBlue94]

Speaking of the eastern semis--Game 6 Caps ahead in the series 3 games to two--can finish the series at home.

Caps had 7:40 of PWP time in game 6. Ovechkin plays 6:55 seconds of that or just about all of it. Ovechkin scores no points in game 6--none 5 on 5--none on the PWP. Girardi plays 5:59 of the PK for the Rangers. McDonagh is second with 4:00. That's an astounding amount of PK time in a do or die game in the opponents arena for the Rangers and the Rangers win 4-3--go back to MSG for game 7 and beat the Caps in OT to take the series.

Yeah I never said anything about penalty kill. I'm saying his gap control is awful.

 

[pld459666]

gap control excellent? he let's guy walk in so far! ovechkin did it twice in the eastern semis

OK, so you are using one of the fastest, most physical PF's in the game right now AND using just TWO examples as proof that his gap control is weak?





Question, were they the ONLY two shifts AO played against Girardi?

 

[BleedingBlue94]

OK, so you are using one of the fastest, most physical PF's in the game right now AND using just TWO examples as proof that his gap control is weak?





Question, were they the ONLY two shifts AO played against Girardi?

I'm using 2 recent/memorable ones. I don't care who the other guy is. How about the Kucherov OT goal? There's another example

 

[pld459666]

I'm using 2 recent/memorable ones. I don't care who the other guy is. How about the Kucherov OT goal? There's another example

You mean the one coming off the RW (McD's side)

That goal?

 

[BleedingBlue94]

You mean the one coming off the RW (McD's side)

That goal?

Yeah! That one! The 1 on 2 where girardi was backed into the slot for no reason? That's the one

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I'm using 2 recent/memorable ones. I don't care who the other guy is. How about the Kucherov OT goal? There's another example

The blame for that one falls on hank

 

[eco's bones]

There was a major gap control issue on the play that Ovechkin using Dan Boyle as a a screen shot it through his legs and over Lundqvist's shoulder. Which is why AV did his damnedest to make sure that Boyle and Ovechkin were hardly ever on the ice at the same time.

Ovechkin was 1-1-2 in game 1--1-0-1 in game 2--was 0-0-0 in games 3,4,5 and 6 of the series--was 1-0-1 in game 7. 3 goals 1 assist in a 7 game series and he got tons of power play time. Shutout completely in 4 straight games and the defensive pair he saw the most by far was McDonagh and Girardi and the Caps tendency was to line him up directly against Girardi. And one of the 3 goals he scored was on Boyle. He's the most dynamic goal scorer in the league and he played really hard in that series and yet the Rangers were able to control him pretty well. They controlled Backstrom as well--2 assists for the series. Joel Ward put up the most points in the series for the Caps--he played mostly against some other defensive pairing.

 

[BleedingBlue94]

The blame for that one falls on hank

Just pointing out gap control, not who's fault it was

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Just pointing out gap control, not who's fault it was

yea but if hank makes that routine save, nobody would says a word about the gap control on that play.

 

[pld459666]

Yeah! That one! The 1 on 2 where girardi was backed into the slot for no reason? That's the one

If Girardi was any further left you'd be *****ing he was out of position.

That is not a good example.

 

[DanielBrassard]

There was a major gap control issue on the play that Ovechkin using Dan Boyle as a a screen shot it through his legs and over Lundqvist's shoulder. Which is why AV did his damnedest to make sure that Boyle and Ovechkin were hardly ever on the ice at the same time.

Ovechkin was 1-1-2 in game 1--1-0-1 in game 2--was 0-0-0 in games 3,4,5 and 6 of the series--was 1-0-1 in game 7. 3 goals 1 assist in a 7 game series and he got tons of power play time. Shutout completely in 4 straight games and the defensive pair he saw the most by far was McDonagh and Girardi and the Caps tendency was to line him up directly against Girardi. And one of the 3 goals he scored was on Boyle. He's the most dynamic goal scorer in the league and he played really hard in that series and yet the Rangers were able to control him pretty well. They controlled Backstrom as well--2 assists for the series. Joel Ward put up the most points in the series for the Caps--he played mostly against some other defensive pairing.

Funny thing about that play was the same exact play that happened to Boyle happened with Ovechkin against Girardi coming down the wing, and Ovechkin ripped a shot to the exact same spot as he did on the goal but Henrik made the save. But no one batted an eye on that. Probably because the puck didnt go in instead of it going in.

 

[Miamipuck]

yea but if hank makes that routine save, nobody would says a word about the gap control on that play.

What about the 100's of shot he has stopped?

Is it that one he let in that absolves Girardi or is it the 100's or 1000's of saves he has made ?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

What about the 100's of shot he has stopped?

Is it that one he let in that absolves Girardi or is it the 100's or 1000's of saves he has made ?

listen. I'm as big of a hank supporter there is, but he should have had that puck.

 

[BleedingBlue94]

If Girardi was any further left you'd be *****ing he was out of position.

That is not a good example.

Hahahahahahah yeah I'm saying he's far back, if he's as close to Kucherov as girardi he'd get a stick on the puck, not saying to move left.

 

[Miamipuck]

listen. I'm as big of a hank supporter there is, but he should have had that puck.

I was at the game, it happened right in front of me, yeah it was a terrible goal, all the way around, that wasn't my point though.

 

[pld459666]

Hahahahahahah yeah I'm saying he's far back, if he's as close to Kucherov as girardi he'd get a stick on the puck, not saying to move left.

Maintaining gap control on the forward in that spot is on McD. The player came in off the RW and had all the room in the world. To try to pin THAT on Girardi is completely agenda driven.

just stop, you're not doing yourself any favors on this particular situation.

Find another example. This one doesn't help you...at all.

 

[Miamipuck]

I don't know where to put this article but it dovetails with my criticism of Girardi:

http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/07/27/puck-possession-game-makes-small-fast-defensemen-most-valuable-in-NHL

 

[eco's bones]

Funny thing about that play was the same exact play that happened to Boyle happened with Ovechkin against Girardi coming down the wing, and Ovechkin ripped a shot to the exact same spot as he did on the goal but Henrik made the save. But no one batted an eye on that. Probably because the puck didnt go in instead of it going in.

The difference is a whole series (or even several years worth) playing against Ovechkin for Girardi and pretty much a shift or two for Boyle and there's a puck in the net.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I don't know how a team with Rick Nash getting premier minutes could make to the SCF and ECF back to back if he wasn't good in the playoffs. AV continues to play him and use him in critical situations. I'll trust my eyes and the coach over you. You really expect me to believe this team could be this successful with a guy getting those minutes not contributing?

Yeah, real likely! Get out of town Charlie Brown!

Your right about the coach. AV decided to use Nash in less critical situations around the time he [paraphrasing] said "results matter' in regard to the media's questions about Nash.

The Rangers also made the ECF in 2012. Nash was not here, someone else was though.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I'm a Girardi defender on here, but I agree, I'd take most of them over him with the exception of Enstrom and a few others due to contracts or age (Campbell, Phaneuf, Chara). I'd rate Green, Niskanen, and Markov at a comparable but slightly higher value than G. Then again, some of those guys are the best in the world, and I would agree Girardi is overpaid a bit (although due to market conditions).

On a different note, and just curious: what are some other examples of players that are/were generally considered very good, but have poor advanced stats?

So you would take most of them [the other 20] over Girardi, and the other 20 are paid more than Girardi. Hmm....