damonster's GM Game #1 Discussion Pt. 2 (1 team open)

Top 6 Spaling

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Tomas Fleischmann ($4.500m)
Troy Brouwer ($2.350m) / Stephen Weiss ($3.100m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Petr Sykora ($1.500m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m)
Derek Dorsett ($1.633m) / Jay Beagle ($0.900m) / Mathieu Perreault ($1.050m)
Dale Weise ($0.615m) /
DEFENSEMEN
John Carlson ($4.500m) / Karl Alzner ($1.285m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Mark Stuart ($1.700m) / John Erskine ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Miikka Kiprusoff ($5.833m)
Dwayne Roloson ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Tyler Sloan ($0.233m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,221,795; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,778,205​

We think we are the top team in the east, maybe the league. Washington needed heart, and we got it in Dubi and Simmonds. Washington needed goaltending, and we got Kipper. Washington needed wing depth, and we got Flash, Simmonds, Dubi, and Sykora. Every player on our 3rd line scored at least 20 goals either this season or last season.....

Also, thank you to KLLR, my assisstant
 
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Spacecorn

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Dallas Stars Final Roster:

Captain: B.Morrow
Alternate: L.Eriksson
Alternate: R.Getzlaf
Alternate: A.Goligoski

L.Eriksson R.Getzlaf J.Jagr
R.Whitney D.Roy N.Horton
D.Clarkson R.Cervanka B.Morrow
R.Jones V.Fiddler B.Eager
Z.Stortini

M.Carle J.Wisniewski
A.Goligoski T.Daley
W.Mitchell M.Fistric

E.Nabokov
D.Dubnky

This team I have put together I can sum up to one word... depth. Every player on my team has NHL experience and are capable players at there position. It could be easy to write off my goaltending as bad but the two together canI help push each other to become greater goalies. Nabokov had a great GAA last year so he will do better on a team with so much depth. Dubnky is still developing and could become a far greater goalie in Dallas with the team I have put together. Overall I strongly know this is a Cup contender.
 
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DKQ

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:flames

FORWARDS
Jaden Schwartz ($1.167m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Josh Bailey ($1.050m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Vladimir Tarasenko ($1.750m)
Nick Bjugstad ($1.833m) / Matt Cullen ($3.500m) / Cal Clutterbuck ($1.400m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.825m) / Gregory Campbell ($1.600m) / Jamie Langenbrunner ($1.500m)
Lance Bouma ($0.693m) / John Madden ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Giordano ($4.020m) / Marco Scandella ($0.846m)
Jeff Schultz ($2.750m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)/ Justin Falk ($0.825m)
Matt Gilroy ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($1.150m)
Leland Irving ($2.500m)

CAPTAINS
Captain: Mark Giordano
Assistant: Michael Cammalleri
Assistant: Brandon Sutter​

*Bump*

My team wins games based on strong defensive play. Our bottoms six is built to be extremely hard to play against, and our coach will be playing a line-matching game so as to minimize the effectiveness of other teams forwards. On top of that, all four of our forward lines have someone who can score, as well as proven snipers such as Voracek and Cammalleri. Our defense is built like our forward corps, where it is simply hard to get good offensive zone time and positioning. With good shutdown players like Ballard, Scandella and Giordano, as well as gritty players like Schultz, Babchuk and Falk, we feel like all 3 lines of our defense will be hard to breach.

VOTE :flames
 

minion

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:rangers

C:Mark Staal
A: Mikko Koivu
A: Manny Malhotra

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m)/ Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
PA Parenteau($4m)/Mikko Koivu($6.75m)/ Michael Grabner ($3 m)
Taylor Pyatt($1.55m)/Brian Boyle ($1.7m) / Rich Peverley ($3.25m)
Cody McLeod (1.150m)/ Manny Malhotra ($2.5 mil)/Chuck Kobasew (1,250,000)

Jeff Halpern ($0.700m)/

DEFENSEMEN
M Del Zotto ($5.25 mil)/Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Mark Staal($3.975m)/ Anton Stralman ($2.25m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.6 mil)/Michael Sauer ($1.25m)

Stu Bickel ($750K)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

Cap: $70,200,000
Salary $67,917,000
Space: $2,283,000

An outstanding top 6, a bottom 6 that can hold its own, a solid defense and Lunqvist.

Vote :rangers
 
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Top 6 Spaling

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How does this evaluation process work exactly?

Everyone submits their standings. Damon compiles them and takes the average. the 1 seed plays the 8 seed, and so on, just like the real playoffs. GMs vote on each series, and majority rules until we have a champ.

Hardly perfect, but the best we can do.
 

Michael Farkas

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Everyone submits their standings. Damon compiles them and takes the average. the 1 seed plays the 8 seed, and so on, just like the real playoffs. GMs vote on each series, and majority rules until we have a champ.

Hardly perfect, but the best we can do.

Is the discussion of rosters permitted/encouraged? If so, in this thread? Because I can make some unbiased observations if it's beneficial to the process...
 

Magic Mittens

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Anyone who doesn't have a team feel like helping me out? I don't have any time to post my line-up and write up on the team.

If not I'll probably just step down thanks to work this week :(
 

minion

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For LAK

:kings

Scott Hartnell ($4.200M)/ Jeff Carter ($5.273M)/ Dustin Brown ($3.175M)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110M)/ Mike Richards ($5.750M)/ Justin Williams ($3.650M)
Nik Antropov ($4.063M)/ Jarret Stoll ($3.250M)/ Matt Read ($.900M)
Jason Chimera ($1.750M)/ Trevor Lewis ($.725M)/ Torrey Mitchell ($1.900M)
Ryan Carter ($.775M)



Defense

Drew Doughty ($7.00M)/ Luke Schenn ($3.600M)
Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680M)/ Niklas Hjalmarrson ($3.500M)
Matt Greene ($2.950M)/ Philip Larsen ($1.025M)
Kris Russel ($1.300M)


Goalies

Jonathan Quick ($1.800M)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500M)



Payroll $67,875,000M
Cap Space $2,325,000M

I'm not great with write ups, but I'll wing it...
Good upfront scoring, solid D and unbeatable in goal

Anyone who has a better write up and can help out with Batmansuncle, please feel free to do a better write up.

:kings
 

Top 6 Spaling

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My fast analysis

7/10 Dallas strong but lack goaltending
9/10 Colorado could use a little more depth but solid top centers and weber and miller together could be unfair
7.5/10 Winnipeg built a great team but still lacks centers
9/10 St. Louis Iginla playing center? and Bryzgalov in net could be issues but team is strong other then that
Calgary Great mini rebuild. Not a contender yet but very much could be in 2-3 years
8/10 New Jersey, weak centers but still a playoff team
7.5/10 Boston, got worse up front, D is improved but overall as a team not near as impressed, happy Lucic was traded out of the divison :sarcasm:
9.5 Washington Legit squad no major holes as of now my pick to win it all
9/10 Pittsburgh D issues but other then that they are solid, hopefully MAF rebounds
9/10 Philly has D issues especially since Pronger won't play and center issues but they have an amazing forward corps and could still light the lamp frequently
8/10 Vancouver still has scoring issues
7/10 Edmonton, getting closer and perhaps they make the PO'S, but they won't be contending for the #1 pick this year


Thanks! :yo:
 

HankTheTankYoLo

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My fast analysis

7/10 Dallas strong but lack goaltending
9/10 Colorado could use a little more depth but solid top centers and weber and miller together could be unfair
7.5/10 Winnipeg built a great team but still lacks centers
9/10 St. Louis Iginla playing center? and Bryzgalov in net could be issues but team is strong other then that
Calgary Great mini rebuild. Not a contender yet but very much could be in 2-3 years
8/10 New Jersey, weak centers but still a playoff team
7.5/10 Boston, got worse up front, D is improved but overall as a team not near as impressed, happy Lucic was traded out of the divison :sarcasm:
9.5 Washington Legit squad no major holes as of now my pick to win it all
9/10 Pittsburgh D issues but other then that they are solid, hopefully MAF rebounds
9/10 Philly has D issues especially since Pronger won't play and center issues but they have an amazing forward corps and could still light the lamp frequently
8/10 Vancouver still has scoring issues
7/10 Edmonton, getting closer and perhaps they make the PO'S, but they won't be contending for the #1 pick this year

Yea my D sucks in philly, but my C has issues? I have Kopitar and Duchene is a problem?

We are going for the cup with our offensive;)
 

DKQ

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:kings

Dustin Brown ($3.175M)/ Mike Richards ($5.750M)/ Jeff Carter ($5.273M)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200M)/ Brayden Schenn ($3.110M)/ Justin Williams ($3.650M)
Nik Antropov ($4.063M)/ Jarret Stoll ($3.250M)/ Matt Read ($.900M)
Jason Chimera ($1.750M)/ Trevor Lewis ($.725M)/ Torrey Mitchell ($1.900M)
Ryan Carter ($.775M)



Defense

Drew Doughty ($7.00M)/ Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680M)
Luke Schenn ($3.600M)/ Niklas Hjalmarrson ($3.500M)
Matt Greene ($2.950M)/ Philip Larsen ($1.025M)
Kris Russel ($1.300M)


Goalies

Jonathan Quick ($1.800M)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500M)\

Captain: Dustin Brown
Assistant: Mike Richards
Assistant: Matt Greene
This lineup, despite a large amount of overhaul, maintains the LA philosophy that size wins games. With lots of big bodys up front as well as on the blueline, this Kings team is extremely hard to play against. Their scoring depth is still phenomenal, with three lines that all feature a mix of physicality and offense. The bottom line is a premier grinding line that should have a lot of success. The defense looks a lot different than the cup-winning squad, but it is a deeper and more experience unit. Doughty-Bouwmeester is one of the best defensive pairings in the league, and Brown-Richards-Carter is one of the best forward lines. We also have the best goalie in the league in Jonathan Quick.

VOTE :kings
 

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Next GM Game has STARTED!!

Please continue your support for this game and continue to vote in the playoffs as the game will not officially start until this game is over and I have it scheduled for August 4th until further notice. Thanks.
 

Michael Farkas

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Taking a little break from what I'm doing, going to throw some comments out there if I may...don't be offended, it's not personal, I'm just scrolling through the roster thread and posting thoughts in the order I see them and think of them as time permits...I will note, it will mostly be negative, because the positives are more obvious and known by the team builders...

Chicago: You really have to wonder about this team's bottom six and their ability to give relief to their big time guys. (Can it be spun as a positive that the first negative I found was with the depth lines? Maybe.) Bolland can kill penalties with acumen, but the rest of that group is a veritable toss-up. They have a strong right-side to augment - or off-set - an otherwise horribly weak left side. Frolik and Stalberg can be interchangeable in a pinch, but it's just re-arranging flowers at a funeral. The expectation to have Steve Montador playing major minutes on a contender is troubling, then you find out he's paired with an extremely expensive Johnny Oduya and it makes things a lot worse. Nick Leddy will grow but is Sheldon Brookbank an adequate enough babysitter to allow him to fully take advantage of those sheltered minutes? I like that the goaltending was improved with the addition of Jonathan Bernier because Corey Crawford is not a good goalie. Keeping three goaltenders on an NHL roster went out with Cooperalls though...Emery is a fringe NHLer at best and should have been waived or Crawford should have been moved to the highest (err, only) bidder.

Los Angeles: The Kings sacrificed a #1 center, which is always a cause for concern. They seem to have four #2 centers though, I'm not sure how much I like that, especially when two of them are as enigmatic as Jeff Carter and Nikolai Antropov. Carter's talents are better used on the wing to be honest and Antropov is a better pivot. But that's immaterial. Overall, I enjoy the team's forward depth a lot. But honestly, it might have been better to pair it up and sell it off for one elite player in that group. Easier said than done though. I really wonder about Hartnell's and Brown's ability to be big time scorers without an elite playmaking center at their disposal. I think that will really hurt the team's scoring ability on their top line. The defense is outstanding and has a good blend of size, speed, skating (Bouwmeester and Russell, two former Medicine Hat Tigers are two of the best skaters in the league in terms of fluidity), puck movement and youth. Keeping Quick is great, Gustavsson should be a good enough backup now that he doesn't have to be a butterfly goalie behind that defense. I wouldn't guess that team would give up even 180 goals this year. I'm not sure they can get far past 200 goals for though even though the depth would say otherwise. When they're in a tough spot, who is the gamebreaker?

Vancouver: I like this team's depth and it fits well to their role. I'm not sure that Artem Anisimov is much of a traditional third line center, but I think this is a team that could benefit from a first line, a 2A line and a 2B line and the players wouldn't look out of place. And then that energy fourth line is good and fits the team very well. So well. I'm not sure about Leino getting paid more than his buyout value (by like $2 million!) that's a poor move. Too many natural centers to keep players in natural positions is going to under-utilize some of the expensive talent acquired, which is bred from poor planning and execution. The defense is deep and rich and plentiful. It's a defense that will not get pushed around by big Western Conference foes not one iota but still have the ability to generate transition and offense. It's rather brilliant. The goaltending is good enough, it's not like Luongo is bad. It's a curious choice in the end, but there's nothing obscenely wrong with it. Getting Anisimov for Malhotra was highway robbery.

Islanders: I'm mentally adjusting for what this GM had to work with from the start and I'm still not very impressed. Breaking up a sure 30-goal combo of Matt Moulson and John Tavares was an unneeded move and just when I thought, "well, at least Okposo showed chemistry with Tavares at times last year when that loser Parenteau wasn't with him" I find that Okposo was plundered in the same deal. There's a lot of kids being thrown into the fire at once and there's no backup plan in place in case it doesn't work. There's a reason why there are some veterans brought in by rebuilding teams - it's so they don't kill their own prospects by force-feeding them. It's young, it's hopeful, it's borderline audacious. It's hard to believe Brad Boyes couldn't crack this lineup. It's so easy on the wallet that I have a hard time believing this club reached the Lower Limit (cap floor). Furthering this is the vastly incorrect salary of Jonathan Blum (I would know), he was signed to Nashville for one year, $2.2 million but far exceeds that on the page. Which further leads me to believe that this 26-man (illegal) roster is any where near cap compliance (illegal). I don't mind that defense, it's young and it has a lot of upside. Roman Josi is a stud and soon everyone will know it, thank God Hamonic wasn't moved...I wish there was some sort of veteran presence to show these kids the ropes but out of the astonishing 9 d-men on the active roster, do any of them even have 200 NHL games under their belt? I'd be surprised if one of them did. They certainly don't have the goaltending the bail them out. It's going to be a bumpy ride and it might end up costing them a couple of decent goalie prospects just on pure shellshocking alone. I haven't seen all the teams yet, but I would expect this to be a lottery team. And hopefully there's a future here if the kids aren't ruined by the 22-win season forthcoming. It's clearly a rebuild job, but it's not fair to the team, the players and the fans to ice a near-AHL caliber roster. The 2004 Penguins basically tried this and we were so bad the league shutdown...I'll say this, if there's a lockout (I don't think there will be, but if) this team would be a whole lot better...a whole lot.

Boston: It was kind of a roller coaster ride reading this roster. I was impresed at times, depressed at others and utterly confused at still others. The top line is well assembled. It's skill, it's grit, it's mean, it scores, it hates you, it's responsible. The second line has a potentially really weak link on it in Wolski who is a shell of his former self. If he can get it together, you got something, but that's a big if. Then Eric Tangradi doesn't provide all that much depth and whoever got him that ridiculous contract is an absolute genius :)naughty:). The fourth line is truculent and hard working. I worry about the Bruins size down the middle. Faceoffs, their forecheck, their backcheck, it's a lot of wear and tear on some relatively thin guys. Oshie and Horton have played some center in their careers as I recall, but it's hard to twist that lineup around and still be ok. It's solid group but I don't think it could handle the defensive structure that the Bruins are known for under Julien, not enough hockey smarts for my liking and I'm not sure that the team is much faster...in fact, I'm rather sure it's slower. The Phaneuf trade was terrific and that gives the Bruins two #1 d-men. Then they have two #3's. Which is really good. I don't like Matt Carle, but with a good partner, it could work itself out. The main issue I have is that the top two pairings may have to play 48 or 50 minutes per night, which will add up. Colin White is a fringe NHLer at this point and Mike Weaver is a steady eddy but if he has to step into the lineup due to injury and play major minutes, there might be some issues. There's three #6's by my count. It'd be nice if there was one more halfway decent anchor in the #5 hole just in case. I like Krug's upside, but like Weaver, he is demonstrably smaller than other NHLers of his ilk. It's hard to fathom getting robbed so badly when you acquire a former Hart Trophy winner and a starting goalie, but Boston found a way. Plundering such wonderful youth in Brad Marchand, Dougie Hamilton (there's your #5 right there, with potential to be a #1), Jared Knight and for crying out loud, Tuukka Rask...not to mention, Ryan Spooner, a 1st and a good prospect in Filip Forsberg. The Ducks traded an average or above average starter and a top line winger for a solid chunk of a contending team in a few years...what a great trade for Anaheim even if my reservations about Forsberg are accurate. That deal smacks of unneeded desperation. I'll assume Langenbrunner (acquired) for Dubinsky and Kelly was a cap dump otherwise, it's a horrendous trade also as Boston gives up the two best players in the deal. On top of all that, Jordan Caron was waived which is just poor asset management. This is what happens when you feel the need to make moves and not build a roster necessarily. Players come and go in 24 hours and you make more of a mess of things. But I don't mean to be harsh, it's a game and you want to have fun and make moves, I respect that. The roster isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, they're a playoff team, but after the dust settled, you have to wonder "how badly would the 2011 team beat the 2013 team" the spread is 1.5 for me.

New Jersey: My first instinct was, "ok, the players are different...decidedly different" and then I got confused because I didn't understand the plan really. Was there a goal in mind? It's difficult to tell. That top line will score as long as Elias can hold up, though he's in his fading days. I was going to sugarcoat the second line, but really, it's a big question mark at best...can Purcell produce without elite players feeding him the puck, is Desharnais someone that can be a #2 center on a contender? Those are valid questions, I feel. The third line is good, but I wouldn't mind D'Agostini being replaced with someone who fits that mold a little better (off the top of my head, Wayne Simmonds would have been great there). That can be a sizeable, mean, defensive third line but then D'Agostini gets stuck on it and I lost interest in it. No qualms with the fourth line, but Brunette seems out of place. I'd say the defense isn't great, but the Devils make it work with little in the way of household names but with Larry Robinson out of the organization, how well will they hold up? Salvador is going to log top-pairing minutes at his advanced age for 80+ games? Volchenkov si slowing down and Zidlicky just goes out there and flies by the seat of his pants...my favorite parts are Campbell and Emelin. That's going to be one ugly power play unit when Campbell has to come off (minor exception to Zidlicky). I wonder about this team's transition ability. How will they get out of the zone when Campbell and Zidlicky aren't out there? The only forward that can do it is Kovalchuk. I can't figure out how they'll move the puck forward when they retrieve it. GM must think highly of Scott Wedgewood.

I'll do more later. I hope that roster thread is updated, I'm not searching for moves, I'm just going to read and comment.
 

KuralySnipes

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Taking a little break from what I'm doing, going to throw some comments out there if I may...don't be offended, it's not personal, I'm just scrolling through the roster thread and posting thoughts in the order I see them and think of them as time permits...I will note, it will mostly be negative, because the positives are more obvious and known by the team builders...

Chicago: You really have to wonder about this team's bottom six and their ability to give relief to their big time guys. (Can it be spun as a positive that the first negative I found was with the depth lines? Maybe.) Bolland can kill penalties with acumen, but the rest of that group is a veritable toss-up. They have a strong right-side to augment - or off-set - an otherwise horribly weak left side. Frolik and Stalberg can be interchangeable in a pinch, but it's just re-arranging flowers at a funeral. The expectation to have Steve Montador playing major minutes on a contender is troubling, then you find out he's paired with an extremely expensive Johnny Oduya and it makes things a lot worse. Nick Leddy will grow but is Sheldon Brookbank an adequate enough babysitter to allow him to fully take advantage of those sheltered minutes? I like that the goaltending was improved with the addition of Jonathan Bernier because Corey Crawford is not a good goalie. Keeping three goaltenders on an NHL roster went out with Cooperalls though...Emery is a fringe NHLer at best and should have been waived or Crawford should have been moved to the highest (err, only) bidder.

Los Angeles: The Kings sacrificed a #1 center, which is always a cause for concern. They seem to have four #2 centers though, I'm not sure how much I like that, especially when two of them are as enigmatic as Jeff Carter and Nikolai Antropov. Carter's talents are better used on the wing to be honest and Antropov is a better pivot. But that's immaterial. Overall, I enjoy the team's forward depth a lot. But honestly, it might have been better to pair it up and sell it off for one elite player in that group. Easier said than done though. I really wonder about Hartnell's and Brown's ability to be big time scorers without an elite playmaking center at their disposal. I think that will really hurt the team's scoring ability on their top line. The defense is outstanding and has a good blend of size, speed, skating (Bouwmeester and Russell, two former Medicine Hat Tigers are two of the best skaters in the league in terms of fluidity), puck movement and youth. Keeping Quick is great, Gustavsson should be a good enough backup now that he doesn't have to be a butterfly goalie behind that defense. I wouldn't guess that team would give up even 180 goals this year. I'm not sure they can get far past 200 goals for though even though the depth would say otherwise. When they're in a tough spot, who is the gamebreaker?

Vancouver: I like this team's depth and it fits well to their role. I'm not sure that Artem Anisimov is much of a traditional third line center, but I think this is a team that could benefit from a first line, a 2A line and a 2B line and the players wouldn't look out of place. And then that energy fourth line is good and fits the team very well. So well. I'm not sure about Leino getting paid more than his buyout value (by like $2 million!) that's a poor move. Too many natural centers to keep players in natural positions is going to under-utilize some of the expensive talent acquired, which is bred from poor planning and execution. The defense is deep and rich and plentiful. It's a defense that will not get pushed around by big Western Conference foes not one iota but still have the ability to generate transition and offense. It's rather brilliant. The goaltending is good enough, it's not like Luongo is bad. It's a curious choice in the end, but there's nothing obscenely wrong with it. Getting Anisimov for Malhotra was highway robbery.

Islanders: I'm mentally adjusting for what this GM had to work with from the start and I'm still not very impressed. Breaking up a sure 30-goal combo of Matt Moulson and John Tavares was an unneeded move and just when I thought, "well, at least Okposo showed chemistry with Tavares at times last year when that loser Parenteau wasn't with him" I find that Okposo was plundered in the same deal. There's a lot of kids being thrown into the fire at once and there's no backup plan in place in case it doesn't work. There's a reason why there are some veterans brought in by rebuilding teams - it's so they don't kill their own prospects by force-feeding them. It's young, it's hopeful, it's borderline audacious. It's hard to believe Brad Boyes couldn't crack this lineup. It's so easy on the wallet that I have a hard time believing this club reached the Lower Limit (cap floor). Furthering this is the vastly incorrect salary of Jonathan Blum (I would know), he was signed to Nashville for one year, $2.2 million but far exceeds that on the page. Which further leads me to believe that this 26-man (illegal) roster is any where near cap compliance (illegal). I don't mind that defense, it's young and it has a lot of upside. Roman Josi is a stud and soon everyone will know it, thank God Hamonic wasn't moved...I wish there was some sort of veteran presence to show these kids the ropes but out of the astonishing 9 d-men on the active roster, do any of them even have 200 NHL games under their belt? I'd be surprised if one of them did. They certainly don't have the goaltending the bail them out. It's going to be a bumpy ride and it might end up costing them a couple of decent goalie prospects just on pure shellshocking alone. I haven't seen all the teams yet, but I would expect this to be a lottery team. And hopefully there's a future here if the kids aren't ruined by the 22-win season forthcoming. It's clearly a rebuild job, but it's not fair to the team, the players and the fans to ice a near-AHL caliber roster. The 2004 Penguins basically tried this and we were so bad the league shutdown...I'll say this, if there's a lockout (I don't think there will be, but if) this team would be a whole lot better...a whole lot.

Boston: It was kind of a roller coaster ride reading this roster. I was impresed at times, depressed at others and utterly confused at still others. The top line is well assembled. It's skill, it's grit, it's mean, it scores, it hates you, it's responsible. The second line has a potentially really weak link on it in Wolski who is a shell of his former self. If he can get it together, you got something, but that's a big if. Then Eric Tangradi doesn't provide all that much depth and whoever got him that ridiculous contract is an absolute genius :)naughty:). The fourth line is truculent and hard working. I worry about the Bruins size down the middle. Faceoffs, their forecheck, their backcheck, it's a lot of wear and tear on some relatively thin guys. Oshie and Horton have played some center in their careers as I recall, but it's hard to twist that lineup around and still be ok. It's solid group but I don't think it could handle the defensive structure that the Bruins are known for under Julien, not enough hockey smarts for my liking and I'm not sure that the team is much faster...in fact, I'm rather sure it's slower. The Phaneuf trade was terrific and that gives the Bruins two #1 d-men. Then they have two #3's. Which is really good. I don't like Matt Carle, but with a good partner, it could work itself out. The main issue I have is that the top two pairings may have to play 48 or 50 minutes per night, which will add up. Colin White is a fringe NHLer at this point and Mike Weaver is a steady eddy but if he has to step into the lineup due to injury and play major minutes, there might be some issues. There's three #6's by my count. It'd be nice if there was one more halfway decent anchor in the #5 hole just in case. I like Krug's upside, but like Weaver, he is demonstrably smaller than other NHLers of his ilk. It's hard to fathom getting robbed so badly when you acquire a former Hart Trophy winner and a starting goalie, but Boston found a way. Plundering such wonderful youth in Brad Marchand, Dougie Hamilton (there's your #5 right there, with potential to be a #1), Jared Knight and for crying out loud, Tuukka Rask...not to mention, Ryan Spooner, a 1st and a good prospect in Filip Forsberg. The Ducks traded an average or above average starter and a top line winger for a solid chunk of a contending team in a few years...what a great trade for Anaheim even if my reservations about Forsberg are accurate. That deal smacks of unneeded desperation. I'll assume Langenbrunner (acquired) for Dubinsky and Kelly was a cap dump otherwise, it's a horrendous trade also as Boston gives up the two best players in the deal. On top of all that, Jordan Caron was waived which is just poor asset management. This is what happens when you feel the need to make moves and not build a roster necessarily. Players come and go in 24 hours and you make more of a mess of things. But I don't mean to be harsh, it's a game and you want to have fun and make moves, I respect that. The roster isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, they're a playoff team, but after the dust settled, you have to wonder "how badly would the 2011 team beat the 2013 team" the spread is 1.5 for me.

New Jersey: My first instinct was, "ok, the players are different...decidedly different" and then I got confused because I didn't understand the plan really. Was there a goal in mind? It's difficult to tell. That top line will score as long as Elias can hold up, though he's in his fading days. I was going to sugarcoat the second line, but really, it's a big question mark at best...can Purcell produce without elite players feeding him the puck, is Desharnais someone that can be a #2 center on a contender? Those are valid questions, I feel. The third line is good, but I wouldn't mind D'Agostini being replaced with someone who fits that mold a little better (off the top of my head, Wayne Simmonds would have been great there). That can be a sizeable, mean, defensive third line but then D'Agostini gets stuck on it and I lost interest in it. No qualms with the fourth line, but Brunette seems out of place. I'd say the defense isn't great, but the Devils make it work with little in the way of household names but with Larry Robinson out of the organization, how well will they hold up? Salvador is going to log top-pairing minutes at his advanced age for 80+ games? Volchenkov si slowing down and Zidlicky just goes out there and flies by the seat of his pants...my favorite parts are Campbell and Emelin. That's going to be one ugly power play unit when Campbell has to come off (minor exception to Zidlicky). I wonder about this team's transition ability. How will they get out of the zone when Campbell and Zidlicky aren't out there? The only forward that can do it is Kovalchuk. I can't figure out how they'll move the puck forward when they retrieve it. GM must think highly of Scott Wedgewood.

I'll do more later. I hope that roster thread is updated, I'm not searching for moves, I'm just going to read and comment.

You're thing of my roster inaccuarate since my lineup is totally different..
 

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Evander Kane ($6.667m) / David Backes ($4.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Alex Steen ($3.362m) / Olli Jokinen ($4.500m) / Shane Doan ($7.750m)
Eric Tangradi ($3.750m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.600m) / Chris Stewart ($3.000m)
Alexei Ponikarovsky ($1.800m) / Jim Slater ($1.600m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.541m)
Spencer Machacek ($0.875m) / Antti Miettinen ($1.351m)

DEFENSEMEN

Zach Bogosian ($2.500m) / Tobias Enstrom ($3.750m)
Andrew Ference ($2.250m) / Greg Zanon ($2.000m)
Aaron Rome ($1.500m) / Adam McQuaid ($1.567m)
Keaton Ellerby ($0.700m)

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Ondrej Pavelec ($3.900m)
Al Montoya ($0.601m)

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Alex Tanguay ($3.500m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Dustin Penner ($3.250m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green ($6.083m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Roman Polak ($2.750m) / Slava Voynov ($0.817m)
Alec Martinez ($0.738m) / Shane O'Brien ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Niklas Backstrom ($6.000m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)
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Taking a little break from what I'm doing, going to throw some comments out there if I may...don't be offended, it's not personal, I'm just scrolling through the roster thread and posting thoughts in the order I see them and think of them as time permits...I will note, it will mostly be negative, because the positives are more obvious and known by the team builders...

Chicago: You really have to wonder about this team's bottom six and their ability to give relief to their big time guys. (Can it be spun as a positive that the first negative I found was with the depth lines? Maybe.) Bolland can kill penalties with acumen, but the rest of that group is a veritable toss-up. They have a strong right-side to augment - or off-set - an otherwise horribly weak left side. Frolik and Stalberg can be interchangeable in a pinch, but it's just re-arranging flowers at a funeral. The expectation to have Steve Montador playing major minutes on a contender is troubling, then you find out he's paired with an extremely expensive Johnny Oduya and it makes things a lot worse. Nick Leddy will grow but is Sheldon Brookbank an adequate enough babysitter to allow him to fully take advantage of those sheltered minutes? I like that the goaltending was improved with the addition of Jonathan Bernier because Corey Crawford is not a good goalie. Keeping three goaltenders on an NHL roster went out with Cooperalls though...Emery is a fringe NHLer at best and should have been waived or Crawford should have been moved to the highest (err, only) bidder.

Los Angeles: The Kings sacrificed a #1 center, which is always a cause for concern. They seem to have four #2 centers though, I'm not sure how much I like that, especially when two of them are as enigmatic as Jeff Carter and Nikolai Antropov. Carter's talents are better used on the wing to be honest and Antropov is a better pivot. But that's immaterial. Overall, I enjoy the team's forward depth a lot. But honestly, it might have been better to pair it up and sell it off for one elite player in that group. Easier said than done though. I really wonder about Hartnell's and Brown's ability to be big time scorers without an elite playmaking center at their disposal. I think that will really hurt the team's scoring ability on their top line. The defense is outstanding and has a good blend of size, speed, skating (Bouwmeester and Russell, two former Medicine Hat Tigers are two of the best skaters in the league in terms of fluidity), puck movement and youth. Keeping Quick is great, Gustavsson should be a good enough backup now that he doesn't have to be a butterfly goalie behind that defense. I wouldn't guess that team would give up even 180 goals this year. I'm not sure they can get far past 200 goals for though even though the depth would say otherwise. When they're in a tough spot, who is the gamebreaker?

Vancouver: I like this team's depth and it fits well to their role. I'm not sure that Artem Anisimov is much of a traditional third line center, but I think this is a team that could benefit from a first line, a 2A line and a 2B line and the players wouldn't look out of place. And then that energy fourth line is good and fits the team very well. So well. I'm not sure about Leino getting paid more than his buyout value (by like $2 million!) that's a poor move. Too many natural centers to keep players in natural positions is going to under-utilize some of the expensive talent acquired, which is bred from poor planning and execution. The defense is deep and rich and plentiful. It's a defense that will not get pushed around by big Western Conference foes not one iota but still have the ability to generate transition and offense. It's rather brilliant. The goaltending is good enough, it's not like Luongo is bad. It's a curious choice in the end, but there's nothing obscenely wrong with it. Getting Anisimov for Malhotra was highway robbery.

Islanders: I'm mentally adjusting for what this GM had to work with from the start and I'm still not very impressed. Breaking up a sure 30-goal combo of Matt Moulson and John Tavares was an unneeded move and just when I thought, "well, at least Okposo showed chemistry with Tavares at times last year when that loser Parenteau wasn't with him" I find that Okposo was plundered in the same deal. There's a lot of kids being thrown into the fire at once and there's no backup plan in place in case it doesn't work. There's a reason why there are some veterans brought in by rebuilding teams - it's so they don't kill their own prospects by force-feeding them. It's young, it's hopeful, it's borderline audacious. It's hard to believe Brad Boyes couldn't crack this lineup. It's so easy on the wallet that I have a hard time believing this club reached the Lower Limit (cap floor). Furthering this is the vastly incorrect salary of Jonathan Blum (I would know), he was signed to Nashville for one year, $2.2 million but far exceeds that on the page. Which further leads me to believe that this 26-man (illegal) roster is any where near cap compliance (illegal). I don't mind that defense, it's young and it has a lot of upside. Roman Josi is a stud and soon everyone will know it, thank God Hamonic wasn't moved...I wish there was some sort of veteran presence to show these kids the ropes but out of the astonishing 9 d-men on the active roster, do any of them even have 200 NHL games under their belt? I'd be surprised if one of them did. They certainly don't have the goaltending the bail them out. It's going to be a bumpy ride and it might end up costing them a couple of decent goalie prospects just on pure shellshocking alone. I haven't seen all the teams yet, but I would expect this to be a lottery team. And hopefully there's a future here if the kids aren't ruined by the 22-win season forthcoming. It's clearly a rebuild job, but it's not fair to the team, the players and the fans to ice a near-AHL caliber roster. The 2004 Penguins basically tried this and we were so bad the league shutdown...I'll say this, if there's a lockout (I don't think there will be, but if) this team would be a whole lot better...a whole lot.

Boston: It was kind of a roller coaster ride reading this roster. I was impresed at times, depressed at others and utterly confused at still others. The top line is well assembled. It's skill, it's grit, it's mean, it scores, it hates you, it's responsible. The second line has a potentially really weak link on it in Wolski who is a shell of his former self. If he can get it together, you got something, but that's a big if. Then Eric Tangradi doesn't provide all that much depth and whoever got him that ridiculous contract is an absolute genius :)naughty:). The fourth line is truculent and hard working. I worry about the Bruins size down the middle. Faceoffs, their forecheck, their backcheck, it's a lot of wear and tear on some relatively thin guys. Oshie and Horton have played some center in their careers as I recall, but it's hard to twist that lineup around and still be ok. It's solid group but I don't think it could handle the defensive structure that the Bruins are known for under Julien, not enough hockey smarts for my liking and I'm not sure that the team is much faster...in fact, I'm rather sure it's slower. The Phaneuf trade was terrific and that gives the Bruins two #1 d-men. Then they have two #3's. Which is really good. I don't like Matt Carle, but with a good partner, it could work itself out. The main issue I have is that the top two pairings may have to play 48 or 50 minutes per night, which will add up. Colin White is a fringe NHLer at this point and Mike Weaver is a steady eddy but if he has to step into the lineup due to injury and play major minutes, there might be some issues. There's three #6's by my count. It'd be nice if there was one more halfway decent anchor in the #5 hole just in case. I like Krug's upside, but like Weaver, he is demonstrably smaller than other NHLers of his ilk. It's hard to fathom getting robbed so badly when you acquire a former Hart Trophy winner and a starting goalie, but Boston found a way. Plundering such wonderful youth in Brad Marchand, Dougie Hamilton (there's your #5 right there, with potential to be a #1), Jared Knight and for crying out loud, Tuukka Rask...not to mention, Ryan Spooner, a 1st and a good prospect in Filip Forsberg. The Ducks traded an average or above average starter and a top line winger for a solid chunk of a contending team in a few years...what a great trade for Anaheim even if my reservations about Forsberg are accurate. That deal smacks of unneeded desperation. I'll assume Langenbrunner (acquired) for Dubinsky and Kelly was a cap dump otherwise, it's a horrendous trade also as Boston gives up the two best players in the deal. On top of all that, Jordan Caron was waived which is just poor asset management. This is what happens when you feel the need to make moves and not build a roster necessarily. Players come and go in 24 hours and you make more of a mess of things. But I don't mean to be harsh, it's a game and you want to have fun and make moves, I respect that. The roster isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, they're a playoff team, but after the dust settled, you have to wonder "how badly would the 2011 team beat the 2013 team" the spread is 1.5 for me.

New Jersey: My first instinct was, "ok, the players are different...decidedly different" and then I got confused because I didn't understand the plan really. Was there a goal in mind? It's difficult to tell. That top line will score as long as Elias can hold up, though he's in his fading days. I was going to sugarcoat the second line, but really, it's a big question mark at best...can Purcell produce without elite players feeding him the puck, is Desharnais someone that can be a #2 center on a contender? Those are valid questions, I feel. The third line is good, but I wouldn't mind D'Agostini being replaced with someone who fits that mold a little better (off the top of my head, Wayne Simmonds would have been great there). That can be a sizeable, mean, defensive third line but then D'Agostini gets stuck on it and I lost interest in it. No qualms with the fourth line, but Brunette seems out of place. I'd say the defense isn't great, but the Devils make it work with little in the way of household names but with Larry Robinson out of the organization, how well will they hold up? Salvador is going to log top-pairing minutes at his advanced age for 80+ games? Volchenkov si slowing down and Zidlicky just goes out there and flies by the seat of his pants...my favorite parts are Campbell and Emelin. That's going to be one ugly power play unit when Campbell has to come off (minor exception to Zidlicky). I wonder about this team's transition ability. How will they get out of the zone when Campbell and Zidlicky aren't out there? The only forward that can do it is Kovalchuk. I can't figure out how they'll move the puck forward when they retrieve it. GM must think highly of Scott Wedgewood.

I'll do more later. I hope that roster thread is updated, I'm not searching for moves, I'm just going to read and comment.

Very good read. I agree with a lot of it. More importantly, its refreshing to see an unbiased point of view on things.
 

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GM: BelugasandBHawks (aka BBH)

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Tampa Bay Lightning
FORWARDS

Ryan Malone ($4.500m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Brett Connolly ($1.633m)
Dana Tyrell ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Jordan Caron ($1.10m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Daniel Paille ($1.300m) / B.J. Crombeen ($1.000m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Adam Hall ($0.650m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Eric Brewer ($3.875m) / Jack Johnson ($4.357m)
Mattias Ohlund ($3.607m) / Pavel Kubina ($4.333m)
Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.000m) / Sami Salo ($3.750m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Anders Lindback ($1.800m)
BUYOUTS
Vinny Prospal ($1.167m)
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This is our final roster and we are very proud of what we've done. On our top line we have some of the greatest chemistry in the league with Malone - Stamkos - MSL. Lecavalier, Booth and Connolly round out our top six which we think is the perfect mix of star power, grit, seasoned veterans and young budding stars. We have Nate freaking Thompson as our third line center, always a good sign, playing with a former top prospect, Jordan Caron, and young flashy winger Dana Tyrell. Our fourth line is one of the grittiest in the league filled with grit-savvy and championship-hungry veterans in Shelley, Paille and Crombeen. Our extra forwards, Adam Hall and to a lesser extent Tom Pyatt could easily slip into our bottom six in a crunch.

We feel our defense is, while not totally revamped, very much ahead of where it was at the start of the game. The biggest move was adding star defenseman Jack Johnson to play on the first line with Eric Brewer, a great compliment of styles IMO. We brought back the second pairing of Ohlund and Kubina, which is a very solid grouping of 3 and 4 D. The bottom pairing and seventh defensemen are Sami Salo, Marc-Andre Bergeron and Andrew Alberts. Alberts and Salo know each other from their days in Vancouver and have chemistry to begin with, which helps our team's defense immensely.

Our goaltending... what can I say about our goaltending? Anders Lindback has shown that he can be a more than capable backup in Nashville, and we brought in Cory Schneider, who played tremendous in his first 30+ start season with Vancouver in 11-12. We feel like this is, while not the best tandem in the league, definitely the sturdiest and the one with the most young talent, bar none.

So there you have our final roster. You are more than welcome to add your thoughts, and I hope you've read this carefully, because extreme care was put into this roster. I think that we can be a top team in the Eastern Conference and even become a Cup contender. Thanks!
 

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