Speculation: Dallas Stars Fire sale at the draft

[MSSLYNX]

I've been seeing a lot of Philly fans saying they want Simmonds gone. What gives? Dude is the best net presence in the game

Train has 1 more year on his nice contract and many feel the next contract will cost 6-7 mil for 5+ years.

Will be a 40-50 pt guy and pp specialist a few more years probably.

Patrick played well on pp when he was out and Lindblom has the tools to do that job too. They are both big and skilled guys so that makes Wayne expendable.

3rd liner rw tops now behind Konecny and Voracek with 2nd line Lindblom-Patrick-Voracek clicking.

Would he be a fit on your 2nd line? I do not follow the Stars much. Would your 1st oa (now 13th) be available?

 

[Kcb12345]

I think a winger prospect, but I'm not keen on the Stars up and coming wingers. It's a weakness of ours that needs patching, especially if we do trade Poolparty.

Fair enough. 2 teams that need the same thing (wingers) are probably not too good of trade partners. Chiarelli does have a history of giving Nill early Xmas gifts though...

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

If Seguin want to sign long term I'd like to keep them both and build around them.

But the ball is in Seguins court. After this season Seguin will have played 7 playoff games in the past five seasons. Seguin is a competitive guy. He wants to be playing for a contender and he might want to walk

But of course, it is contingent upon Seguin extending. I do agree that Stars find themselves at a crossroads right now. Safe money is on them doing more of these band-aid fixes to make the team resemble a competitive one year after year and probably that's what likely entices Seguin to sign, but then again, is it worth keeping two players at Kane and Toews salaries without the 3 cups the latter duo have won? Or is it more prudent to consider blowing it up again and starting with Heiskanen as the centerpiece?

 

[Ryan Michaels]

But of course, it is contingent upon Seguin extending. I do agree that Stars find themselves at a crossroads right now. Safe money is on them doing more of these band-aid fixes to make the team resemble a competitive one year after year and probably that's what likely entices Seguin to sign, but then again, is it worth keeping two players at Kane and Toews salaries without the 3 cups the latter duo have won? Or is it more prudent to consider blowing it up again and starting with Heiskanen as the centerpiece?

The grass isn't always greener I cannot fathom Dallas blowing up Benn, Seguin, Radulov and Klingberg as a core, add in that you've got Heiskanen coming up already all they need is depth forwards. I mean by depth forwards they need a whole ton of them but they have good enough top end players to build a cup winner around, it won't be an easy fix to fill in a team around them but its a hell of a lot easier then throwing it away on a hope and prayer of a successful rebuild.

 

[M88K]

I'll tell you what needs to go: Free agency will help quite a bit.

Ritchie (6th rounder maybe) Shore (3rd rounder) Elie (meh, throw in piece in a bigger deal), Roussel (UFA), Spezza (meh he could stay probably). Hamhuis will be gone.

That's it. Now fill the empty spots with new and improved kids from our own system and maybe throw in a top 6 winger or 2 acquired through trade or free agency.

Benn-Seguin-Radulov
Dickinson-Spezza/Hanzal-X
Janmark-Faksa-Pitlick
Gurianov-Hanzal/Spezza-X

Time for Nill to stop teasing these kids and keeping them in the AHL for years upon years. Give them a shot, and if they fail to succeed move them on and move more in.

Must not know anything about "our" kids. Outside of Hintz, Robertson, and Heiskanen.. There is a whole lot of nothing
Shore fetches more than a 3rd.

Hanzal is not a 2nd line capable player and likely never plays again. Janmark is better than Dickinson, who should be playing C if anything, but isn't really 2nd line material either.
Gurianov is nowhere near NHL capable.
Just because he was drafted several rounds early doesn't make him good

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

1 Radek Faska please

 

[M88K]

What would we need to add to Honka to get Puljujarvi

a lot

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Must not know anything about "our" kids. Outside of Hintz, Robertson, and Heiskanen.. There is a whole lot of nothing
Shore fetches more than a 3rd.

Hanzal is not a 2nd line capable player and likely never plays again. Janmark is better than Dickinson, who should be playing C if anything, but isn't really 2nd line material either.
Gurianov is nowhere near NHL capable.
Just because he was drafted several rounds early doesn't make him good

What happened to Hazal to make you say he never plays again?

 

[Tripod]

I've been seeing a lot of Philly fans saying they want Simmonds gone.

What gives? Dude is the best net presence in the game

Just a numbers game.

Simmonds is behind Voracek and Konecny at ES and that is not going to change. So re-signing him to be a 3rd liner makes no sense given the cost and his age. To a team that can play him in the top 6, then it makes sense.

Then on top of that, when Simmonds was hurt for a few weeks, Patrick stepped in and looked great. And ebpven last game, they switched to Patrick and he had 2 PP goals. He has just become replaceable in Philly.

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

The grass isn't always greener I cannot fathom Dallas blowing up Benn, Seguin, Radulov and Klingberg as a core, add in that you've got Heiskanen coming up already all they need is depth forwards. I mean by depth forwards they need a whole ton of them but they have good enough top end players to build a cup winner around, it won't be an easy fix to fill in a team around them

At 32, Radulov can hardly be considered a core player. He did very well and if the Stars find a better off-season solution for all their troubles (not very likely, as you've pointed that out) than in seasons past, he'd be a valuable contributor over the next 2-3 years , at which point age is going to catch up with him.

but its a hell of a lot easier then throwing it away on a hope and prayer of a successful rebuild.

I fully do not expect the ownership group, management, and the coalition of the old boys club to take the harder path, but the easier route of addressing a need that rears an ugly head the following off-season in a hasty fix by throwing money at it (Niemi, Hudler, Hanzal, Methot, Bishop) hasn't really worked for them either. Since the off-season of 2014, ownership has spent up to the cap each season with 1 playoff appearance and 1 playoff series win to show for it. At some point this act will grow tiring.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

I fully do not expect the ownership group, management, and the coalition of the old boys club to take the harder path, but the easier route of addressing a need that rears an ugly head the following off-season in a hasty fix by throwing money at it (Niemi, Hudler, Hanzal, Methot, Bishop) hasn't really worked for them either. Since the off-season of 2014, ownership has spent up to the cap each season with 1 playoff appearance and 1 playoff series win to show for it. At some point this act will grow tiring.

This is fair but look at some teams like the Bruins, Capitals, San Jose and the Flyers. These teams have all had some lean years(on a pretty broad spectrum) but stayed committed to the same core and were able to supplement them in different ways to varying degrees of success but in all cases I would say it was the right choice. Unfortunately Dallas hasn't drafted well and that needs to change and they have over spent on some mediocre free agents, its an uphill battle for sure but I'd have a hard time giving up on their top end players.

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

What happened to Hazal to make you say he never plays again?

Back surgery no. 3 IIRC and this is a much complex procedure with a longer recovery time of 6-7 months and he will be 32. Age and his history with injuries is not a good combination.

 

[Kcb12345]

Must not know anything about "our" kids. Outside of Hintz, Robertson, and Heiskanen.. There is a whole lot of nothing
Shore fetches more than a 3rd.

Hanzal is not a 2nd line capable player and likely never plays again. Janmark is better than Dickinson, who should be playing C if anything, but isn't really 2nd line material either.
Gurianov is nowhere near NHL capable.
Just because he was drafted several rounds early doesn't make him good

I consider guys like Hintz, Gurianov, Dickinson, etc. Better options than Ritchie, Elie, and Smith at this point. It's near impossible for them to be any worse than those guys

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

This is fair but look at some teams like the Bruins, Capitals, San Jose and the Flyers. These teams have all had some lean years(on a pretty broad spectrum) but stayed committed to the same core and were able to supplement them in different ways to varying degrees of success but in all cases I would say it was the right choice. Unfortunately Dallas hasn't drafted well and that needs to change and they have over spent on some mediocre free agents, its an uphill battle for sure but I'd have a hard time giving up on their top end players.

And that's the difference between those teams and Dallas. It's amazing the propensity with which a team can f***-up their 1st rounders, either via poor selection or poor-development, in the manner that Dallas has. Since Brenden Morrow in 1997, the only 1st rounder of any decent caliber playing for them currently and could continue for a long time is Radek Faksa, and 3C may be his ceiling but he will be a very good 3C. It took Heiskanen to break that jinx and the guy hasn't played a shift yet. Tells you how fervently I hope he turns into the player he is projected to be.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

But of course, it is contingent upon Seguin extending. I do agree that Stars find themselves at a crossroads right now. Safe money is on them doing more of these band-aid fixes to make the team resemble a competitive one year after year and probably that's what likely entices Seguin to sign, but then again, is it worth keeping two players at Kane and Toews salaries without the 3 cups the latter duo have won? Or is it more prudent to consider blowing it up again and starting with Heiskanen as the centerpiece?

Good point. If Dallas couldn't get it done with a younger Benn and Seguin on cheap contracts how do we know they can win a cup with Benn and Seguin on more expensive contracts and older. I'm about 50/50 on keep the team together vs blow it up

 

[Halla]

Spezza@50% for a 2nd?

Spezza would probably be motivated to play for his hometown team, at worst he is a 3.75 mil 3rd C that will be a UFA after next season

 

[Halla]

Just for giggles how far does Wennberg+1st+Bjorkstrand/Milano+ Carlsson move the needle for Seguin?

quality>quantity for sure in this offer

 

[M88K]

What happened to Hazal to make you say he never plays again?

Look up spinal fusion surgery. Even for Millionaire athletes, it's not a good procedure to need

 

[Unspecified]

1 Radek Faska please

Sure....for Marner

 

[Vachon23]

I'll tell you what needs to go: Free agency will help quite a bit.

Ritchie (6th rounder maybe) Shore (3rd rounder) Elie (meh, throw in piece in a bigger deal), Roussel (UFA), Spezza (meh he could stay probably). Hamhuis will be gone.

That's it. Now fill the empty spots with new and improved kids from our own system and maybe throw in a top 6 winger or 2 acquired through trade or free agency.

Benn-Seguin-Radulov
Dickinson-Spezza/Hanzal-X
Janmark-Faksa-Pitlick
Gurianov-Hanzal/Spezza-X

Time for Nill to stop teasing these kids and keeping them in the AHL for years upon years. Give them a shot, and if they fail to succeed move them on and move more in.

I would do it for a 6th round pick !

 

[JRull86]

Bruins will give you:

a good vet who doesn't fit your system, a decent young but soft roster player who gets mad that you targetted his brother in a playoff series, a JAG AHL guy, and a prospect D that has been passed around a few teams for Seguin and call it square okay?

 

[WhatWhat]

Spezza@50% for a 2nd?

Spezza would probably be motivated to play for his hometown team, at worst he is a 3.75 mil 3rd C that will be a UFA after next season

If we are staying with Hitch I would do this