D Cam Dineen - North Bay Battalion, OHL (2016, 68th, ARI)

[BigTimer29]

I really like Dineen as a late second round pick

 

[Scorcho]

I really like Dineen as a late second round pick

good luck, everyone else seems to like him as a late first

I'm hoping the devils can snag him at 41

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Leafs have a couple of picks in the 27-31 range, I think they'll be looking to pick him up.

 

[biturbo19]

good luck, everyone else seems to like him as a late first

I'm hoping the devils can snag him at 41

You never know...

Is Dineen a better prospect than say...Vince Dunn last year @#56? A lot of people here liked him as a late-1st as well. Or even much better than Alexandre Carrier @#115? NHL teams don't always value smaller defencemen the same as these boards for example.

Granted, this year's draft doesn't look nearly as deep through the 2nd round and on as last year, so seeing a quite similar prospect creep up earlier wouldn't be surprising at all.

 

[Scorcho]

You never know...

Is Dineen a better prospect than say...Vince Dunn last year @#56? A lot of people here liked him as a late-1st as well. Or even much better than Alexandre Carrier @#115? NHL teams don't always value smaller defencemen the same as these boards for example.

Granted, this year's draft doesn't look nearly as deep through the 2nd round and on as last year, so seeing a quite similar prospect creep up earlier wouldn't be surprising at all.

Honestly I don't think he'd get by NJ, they've scouted the battalion a bunch this season and it seems Shero has no fears about drafting a jersey boy, unlike lou

whoever snags him is getting a great player though

 

[UpsideHockey]

E-Mac's in-depth profile on Cam.

Link to article including 5 reasons why he could land in the first round.

• 2016 NHL Draft Guide: The Next Ones

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[Llewzaher]

pretty good considering we almost took him at 37

 

[TT1]

steal

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

How the heck did this guy slip to 68? Man the Coyotes killed it again this draft!

 

[Captain Timo]

How the heck did this guy slip to 68? Man the Coyotes killed it again this draft!

For some reason he slid in rankings. I guess scouts saw something they weren't too keen on, but yeah, he went right around where he was ranked. Just to set it clear, I'm just informing you. I think he should've been ranked and taken higher (early 2nd probably).

 

[Zaddy]

Was a 1st rounder in my book. Coyotes is getting one hell of a player here.

 

[Frk It]

How the heck did this guy slip to 68? Man the Coyotes killed it again this draft!

Most likely size. Arizona's first 3 picks were phenomenal. Sucks we gave them Chychrun

 

[seafoam]

A steal in this draft

 

[RoadWarrior]

An absolute steal in the 3rd round. At a minimum he projects as a PP specialist in the pros but more likely top 4.

Size was obviously a concern but it's not like he's 5'8.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Unreal to read this thread and how high everyone was on him and he surprisingly slid to 3rd round.

What's the reasoning for that?

Also, how was he at Yotes development camp?

Don't know a thing about the guy but am very intrigued

 

[Mr Hockey*]

Was a 1st rounder in my book. Coyotes is getting one hell of a player here.

I would say top 40 pick ...

 

[93LEAFS]

Unreal to read this thread and how high everyone was on him and he surprisingly slid to 3rd round.

What's the reasoning for that?

Also, how was he at Yotes development camp?

Don't know a thing about the guy but am very intrigued

Some good sources weren't that high on him. HockeyProspect who follows the OHL closely had him in the 80's. A lot of scouts didn't see him as a top 60 guy, as was reflected by his draft position, and were McKenzie had him rated. To overcome being a sub-6 foot defender you need very high defensive IQ and can be pressured into mistakes with outlet passes. If he makes it, he's probably a good offensive D which makes him a good boom/bust pick. Not surprised it was an analytics inclined team that chose him.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

Some good sources weren't that high on him. HockeyProspect who follows the OHL closely had him in the 80's. A lot of scouts didn't see him as a top 60 guy, as was reflected by his draft position, and were McKenzie had him rated. To overcome being a sub-6 foot defender you need very high defensive IQ and can be pressured into mistakes with outlet passes. If he makes it, he's probably a good offensive D which makes him a good boom/bust pick. Not surprised it was an analytics inclined team that chose him.

I will go with what 93LEAFS says! Seems to be the most knowledgeable on prospects around here that I can tell. Also seems to have insider info, often?

 

[93LEAFS]

I will go with what 93LEAFS says! Seems to be the most knowledgeable on prospects around here that I can tell. Also seems to have insider info, often?

Haha, thanks. I get some get info sometimes regarding OHL, and by reaching out to certain writers off the record. But outside of that most of what I get is from reading good sources and watching what I can.

 

[Frk It]

Some good sources weren't that high on him. HockeyProspect who follows the OHL closely had him in the 80's. A lot of scouts didn't see him as a top 60 guy, as was reflected by his draft position, and were McKenzie had him rated. To overcome being a sub-6 foot defender you need very high defensive IQ and can be pressured into mistakes with outlet passes. If he makes it, he's probably a good offensive D which makes him a good boom/bust pick. Not surprised it was an analytics inclined team that chose him.

Isn't hockey IQ arguably his biggest strength? Actually would argue skating is the most important thing for a sub-6 foot d man.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

DraftBuzz rated #89 for 2016.

For one of the articles in the DraftBuzz Hockey Draft Guide Series, I mapped goals for OHL D including Sergachev, Juolevi, Chychrun, Dineen, and Gleason.

I used War-On-Ice's graphic (center point goals as medium danger) and the OHL's game data. Here is Dineen's report:

CAM DINEEN, NORTH BAY

Regular Season Breakdown:
165SOG
13G [12ES, 1PP, 5GWG]
7.9SH%

Locations of 13G:
Goal 1: Slot (HIGH)
Goal 2: Low Slot (HIGH)
Goal 3: R-2 (MED)
Goal 4: C-Point (MED)
Goal 5: C-Point (MED)
Goal 6: L-2 (MED)
Goal 7: L-Low (LOW)
Goal 8: R-Low (LOW)
Goal 9: Low Slot (HIGH)
Goal 10: L-Point (LOW)
Goal 11: R-Slot (MED)
Goal 12: Slot (HIGH)
Goal 13: L-Point (LOW)

4 or 30.8% of G as LDZ
5 or 38.5% of G as MDZ
4 or 30.8% of G as HDZ

or

Using Home Plate Theory:
7 or 53.8% of G as HP

Dineen led the group of 5 in total high danger zone goals using WOI or if you use home plate method total home plate goals and percentage.

He was actually the reason I wanted to look at goal location after subjectively scouting him over the season. I had a sense Dineen was scoring more like a forward and his overall scoring profile shows him more effective closer to the net than on the point.

I wasn't a fan of his defensive posture over the season, wasn't in love with his skating, and use a proprietary stat that shows he regressed over the season.

Now, seeing him in Arizona's camp I thought he improved his skating a tick and he was much more aggressive racing back to body forwards off their path/puck.

 

[Zaddy]

I really don't know why so many scouts were so down on him. I mean, most of them have probably seen him more than me but I just don't see what the big deal is? If his perceived deficiencies is only about ability to play defense, skating and size then two out of those three can easily be worked on, and the size thing...well he really isn't that small at 5'11. Taller than Barrie, Krug, Ellis, Vatanen and just an inch shorter than Karlsson, Subban, Letang and Shattenkirk and he may not be done growing. I really don't see why he couldn't have success in the NHL. At worst he should be a #6D, PPQB type of guy but personally I think he has a very good shot at being a real good all-around top4 d-man. He actually reminds me a lot of Shayne Gostisbehere and Dineen himself has said that it is someone he models his game after. Ghost just had a tremendous season and he's just the same size as Cam.

 

[93LEAFS]

I really don't know why so many scouts were so down on him. I mean, most of them have probably seen him more than me but I just don't see what the big deal is? If his perceived deficiencies is only about ability to play defense, skating and size then two out of those three can easily be worked on, and the size thing...well he really isn't that small at 5'11. Taller than Barrie, Krug, Ellis, Vatanen and just an inch shorter than Karlsson, Subban, Letang and Shattenkirk and he may not be done growing. I really don't see why he couldn't have success in the NHL. At worst he should be a #6D, PPQB type of guy but personally I think he has a very good shot at being a real good all-around top4 d-man. He actually reminds me a lot of Shayne Gostisbehere and Dineen himself has said that it is someone he models his game after. Ghost just had a tremendous season and he's just the same size as Cam.

They don't think he takes smart enough angles to overcome them, and while his skating is good its not elite. He worries guys because in one on one situation stronger guys can drive the net on him. And while skating can be worked on, you don't go from good to elite, which multiple of the short guys you listed are. At worst he's a lifetime AHLer or in a Euro-league, not a 6th defender pp specialist.

 

[Frk It]

They don't think he takes smart enough angles to overcome them, and while his skating is good its not elite. He worries guys because in one on one situation stronger guys can drive the net on him. And while skating can be worked on, you don't go from good to elite, which multiple of the short guys you listed are. At worst he's a lifetime AHLer or in a Euro-league, not a 6th defender pp specialist.

Hm, I thought his positioning/angles and IQ are good. Seems like a cerebral player.

I would guess he dropped moreso because of his size/skating than the aforementioned stuff.

Where did you see that, some scouting publications? That is interesting, hadn't really heard that.