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For the 1st 2 guys it really depends on how much is left in the tank.
I think they have the makings so far but need a little extra to get in.
The last 5 guys have 5 plus years left and are incomplete so far.
If I was betting Loungo and Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the most likely to get in IMO.
I think they have the makings so far but need a little extra to get in.
The last 5 guys have 5 plus years left and are incomplete so far.
If I was betting Loungo and Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the most likely to get in IMO.
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Hmmm, good choices.
Alfredsson is looking more and more like a guy that we'll see in the HHOF. He might get some fuss from some people but he has the stats, and the longevity. He's been a great player even in his old age. Not to mention a Smythe caliber playoff year in 2007. At the end of the day you have to tip your hat to Alfie being one of this generations best all around players.
St. Louis will get in IMO. People have stopped finally laughing at me when I suggest it now. I figured even around 2007 that with the curve he had in his career he'd be a HHOFer if he continued his pace. He could use another trip to the postseason though
Kipper probably won't get in. He had that nice playoff run in 2004 and the Vezina in 2006. Other than that never even an all-star and has never gotten out of the first round since. He'll need a miracle
Datsyuk falls into the category of being a guy we will think about from this generation. Not a bad career either and it isn't over yet.
Luongo needs to start winning very fast. Sure he has an Olympic Gold but he didn't stand on his head or anything. His playoff resume is nothing short of dreadful. Goalies like Esposito and Giacomin weren't legends in the postseason either but were better than him and especially better in the regular season. He needs a lot more.
Hossa is an interesting case. You know how we complain about Recchi having a rather bland career? Hossa is the same. Yet when you look back on him, like Recchi, he has some good finishes in the scoring race, a 2nd team all-star and is among the top scorers of the last decade. Not to mention his playoff resume is still not bad. He finally won a Cup and has reached three straight finals. I checked, and the last guy to do that by my count was any Oiler from 1983-'85. In other words, Hossa has been in the public's conciousness at the highest stage for a while
Zetterberg in my opinion will get in like Datsyuk. He is still a fine player and is a guy you'd want on your team. Absolutely wonderful in the playoffs for the Wings win or lose. His career curve says HHOFer to me
- Alfredsson isn't a sure thing, but has a better-than-even chance. 1000+ points in the dead-puck era, 3x top-10 in scoring, and the face of a franchise for 15 years. Also a great all-around player. Most guys in the past with careers like this are in.
- St. Louis is an odd case because he did so little in his 20s. When he turned 31, he had 1 season over 70 points. But his MVP his hard to ignore as is his string of excellent seasons in his 30s. Key cog on a Cup winner. If he can score himself somewhere close to 1000 points (and with Stamkos on his line he has a chance, and isn't slowing down yet) he'll have a strong chance.
- Kiprusoff is probably a no - 1 post-season All-Star nomination and 0 Cups isn't enough.
- Datsyuk is a lock. Even if they aren't the most important awards (and even though I don't think he was deserving for some of them), the guy has 7 major trophies in his cabinet with 4 Byngs and 3 Selkes. Plus 2 Cups.
- Luongo needs to win in the playoffs. If not, then no.
- Hossa is also a lock. Will end up with 500 goals/1000 points, was an elite two-way player, top-5 in goals 3 times, core player on 3 straight Cup finalists.
- Zetterberg needs to do more. Has 2 seasons over 75 points, and as he turns 30 only has 475 career points. His 2007-08 season was stunning (95 points, Conn Smythe) but 1 season doesn't get you to the HHOF and the rest of his career isn't close.
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Goaltending is interesting, because outside of Brodeur, who is a HHOF certainty who was in their prime during the 2000-2010 period?
Lundqvist and Luongo haven't won in the playoffs, Kiprusoff had the one run way back in 2004 and hasn't won a round since ... and what else is there? Turco sure isn't HHOF-calibre, and neither is Khabibulin. Osgood simply doesn't belong.
It's been an odd era as the goalies who have dominated in the regular season haven't in the playoffs, and vice versa.
- St. Louis is an odd case because he did so little in his 20s. When he turned 31, he had 1 season over 70 points. But his MVP his hard to ignore as is his string of excellent seasons in his 30s. Key cog on a Cup winner. If he can score himself somewhere close to 1000 points (and with Stamkos on his line he has a chance, and isn't slowing down yet) he'll have a strong chance.
- Kiprusoff is probably a no - 1 post-season All-Star nomination and 0 Cups isn't enough.
- Datsyuk is a lock. Even if they aren't the most important awards (and even though I don't think he was deserving for some of them), the guy has 7 major trophies in his cabinet with 4 Byngs and 3 Selkes. Plus 2 Cups.
- Luongo needs to win in the playoffs. If not, then no.
- Hossa is also a lock. Will end up with 500 goals/1000 points, was an elite two-way player, top-5 in goals 3 times, core player on 3 straight Cup finalists.
- Zetterberg needs to do more. Has 2 seasons over 75 points, and as he turns 30 only has 475 career points. His 2007-08 season was stunning (95 points, Conn Smythe) but 1 season doesn't get you to the HHOF and the rest of his career isn't close.
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Goaltending is interesting, because outside of Brodeur, who is a HHOF certainty who was in their prime during the 2000-2010 period?
Lundqvist and Luongo haven't won in the playoffs, Kiprusoff had the one run way back in 2004 and hasn't won a round since ... and what else is there? Turco sure isn't HHOF-calibre, and neither is Khabibulin. Osgood simply doesn't belong.
It's been an odd era as the goalies who have dominated in the regular season haven't in the playoffs, and vice versa.
1st or 2nd team all-star selections:
Alfredsson 1
St. Louis 3
Kirpusoff 1
Datsyuk 1
Luongo 2
Hossa 1
Zetterberg 1
Looking at that, I'd say that only St.Louis has a legit shot at making it to the hall as of today. Luongo will get his ticket punched if he can bring the Cup to Van-City!
Alfredsson 1
St. Louis 3
Kirpusoff 1
Datsyuk 1
Luongo 2
Hossa 1
Zetterberg 1
Looking at that, I'd say that only St.Louis has a legit shot at making it to the hall as of today. Luongo will get his ticket punched if he can bring the Cup to Van-City!
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The goalie situation is interesting. Pretty much no locks since Brodeur... makes me think Osgood actually has a great shot - especially since the committee loves wins and Cups. At this point, I have to think Osgood is well ahead of Luongo or Kiprusoff in line for the Hall.
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Talking purely stats...1000 pts and/or 500 goals should be an automatic in for HHOF forwards, and 300 wins per goalie?
What about d-men? Mike Green will probably end up with far more points than Scott Stevens, but who was clearly miles ahead?
...and for those who had injury-shortened careers, should be judged by vote of their peers.
What about d-men? Mike Green will probably end up with far more points than Scott Stevens, but who was clearly miles ahead?
...and for those who had injury-shortened careers, should be judged by vote of their peers.
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Daniel Alfredsson - Yes, on the basis that he's become the face of his franchise and a sort of ambassador for his generation and nationality. Aside from massive stats he has intangibles all over.
Martin St. Louis - Yes, he's been good enough for long enough.
Miikka Kiprusoff - No, he fades into a cluster of several "very good" goalies from the past 10 years.
Zdeno Chára - Only if he picks up another Norris, which I think is very realistic. If he retired tomorrow, no, but I predict he will have a strong career finish since he's not getting any smaller.
Pavel Datsyuk - Yes, dominant two-way player on a great team. See Sergei Fedorov.
Roberto Luongo - Not unless he has a dramatic reversal, the knives are out for this guy. Would need a Smythe or something similar.
Marián Hossa - No, he's good but not distinguished.
Henrik Zetterberg - No, his reputation is slowly slipping and 70p/yr isn't good enough to be in the Hall ahead of others.
Martin St. Louis - Yes, he's been good enough for long enough.
Miikka Kiprusoff - No, he fades into a cluster of several "very good" goalies from the past 10 years.
Zdeno Chára - Only if he picks up another Norris, which I think is very realistic. If he retired tomorrow, no, but I predict he will have a strong career finish since he's not getting any smaller.
Pavel Datsyuk - Yes, dominant two-way player on a great team. See Sergei Fedorov.
Roberto Luongo - Not unless he has a dramatic reversal, the knives are out for this guy. Would need a Smythe or something similar.
Marián Hossa - No, he's good but not distinguished.
Henrik Zetterberg - No, his reputation is slowly slipping and 70p/yr isn't good enough to be in the Hall ahead of others.
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I agree with the general sentiments expressed so far.
Kipper is the worst choice here. He doesn't have a hope. He'd need a miracle.
St. Louis, Datsyuk and Alfie are as good as in.
Kudos for not discussing Thornton and Iginla. At this point, the question should be whether they are top-100 players, not whether they'll be in the HHOF.
Kipper is the worst choice here. He doesn't have a hope. He'd need a miracle.
St. Louis, Datsyuk and Alfie are as good as in.
Kudos for not discussing Thornton and Iginla. At this point, the question should be whether they are top-100 players, not whether they'll be in the HHOF.
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Alfie is getting in. A guy spending his whole career with the same team always (and should) get a +. Great longevity. Face of the Sens franchise (and their first "good" face).
St-Louis gets in as well. 3 post season AST, key cog on a Cup...
Kiprusoff : No.
Chara : He really has to screw up to not get in.
Luongo : IF he wins in the playoffs. If he's the starter in Sochi, and wins the Gold, he might get consideration. But then again, I think he has to win in the playoffs. Vancouver are simply too good to fail.
Hossa is a guy, I think, haven't done enough at this point, but he has a few good years left. Same for Zetterberg.
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one of the nice things about the DPE is that the committee will have to start thinking about how these guys played the game again instead of counting career stats or sometimes championships. of the two generations of players who entered the NHL gretzky and after, you have questionable selections like gartner and ciccarelli. you have larry murphy in, and mark howe out. you have people talking in all seriousness about joe nieuwendyk and even phil housley and pierre turgeon, while a guy whose on-ice career exemplifies the spirit and passion that the HHOF should commemorate like theo fleury will likely be on the outside because he wasn't able to hang on long enough to hit 500 goals or 1,200 points.
it's not the most popular opinion, but i have advocated on this board a place in the hall for elite role players over compilers. carbonneau, claude lemieux, mccrimmon, lowe, and tikkanen are all guys i'd consider over federko or even joe mullen.
but i like that we're talking about daniel alfredsson, pavel datsyuk, and martin st. louis. not that these are necessarily role players-- they obviously have had top 5 finishes and were/are high end offensive producers-- but they each did a lot more than their numbers suggest. due to era and entering the league relatively late, datsyuk and st. louis will be hard pressed to hit even 1,000 points. but few guys of their generation will, so we will have to find other criteria to separate the well-rounded true stars, and guys who truly meant something to the history of the game, from the marc savards and patrick marleaus though the numbers look pretty close. in an era where marc savard has pierre turgeon numbers, it becomes much easier with ten, twenty years distance from their playing days to say, "alfredsson is in the hall even though he never won anything. marc savard has similar numbers and top 10 placements, why isn't he on the ballot?" replace marc savard with turgeon in that last sentence, and alfredsson with denis savard, and that's an argument i can foresee in ten years time.
it's not the most popular opinion, but i have advocated on this board a place in the hall for elite role players over compilers. carbonneau, claude lemieux, mccrimmon, lowe, and tikkanen are all guys i'd consider over federko or even joe mullen.
but i like that we're talking about daniel alfredsson, pavel datsyuk, and martin st. louis. not that these are necessarily role players-- they obviously have had top 5 finishes and were/are high end offensive producers-- but they each did a lot more than their numbers suggest. due to era and entering the league relatively late, datsyuk and st. louis will be hard pressed to hit even 1,000 points. but few guys of their generation will, so we will have to find other criteria to separate the well-rounded true stars, and guys who truly meant something to the history of the game, from the marc savards and patrick marleaus though the numbers look pretty close. in an era where marc savard has pierre turgeon numbers, it becomes much easier with ten, twenty years distance from their playing days to say, "alfredsson is in the hall even though he never won anything. marc savard has similar numbers and top 10 placements, why isn't he on the ballot?" replace marc savard with turgeon in that last sentence, and alfredsson with denis savard, and that's an argument i can foresee in ten years time.
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Good selections.
Here are my thoughts:
Daniel Alfredsson - probable if he retires today; lock with a couple more years of compiling. The face of a Canadian franchise for over a decade. Good numbers, brings more than the numbers, defining playoff run in 2007.
Martin St. Louis - I don't think he gets in if he retires today, but give him a couple of more years at the top of the league (which I certainly think he can do playing with Stamkos), and he gets in.
Miikka Kiprusoff - he's off to a great start - he already has a Vezina and several other high finishes and a defining playoff run. He needs several more years near the top of the league though - is he young enough for it? Honestly, I have him ahead of Luongo right now, but I see him with less of a chance of keeping it up, due to age.
Zdeno Chára - lock if he retired today, probably 1st ballot by the time he retires. 4 postseason All-Stars, 1 Norris, 4th best defenseman of his generation (behind Lidstrom, Niedermayer, and Pronger). And he as that extra "fame" factor of being so freaking huge.
Pavel Datsyuk - by the end of his career, he'll probably get in. Major part of one of the best teams in the league, and like MS said, his trophy case is getting too big to ignore.
Roberto Luongo - needs a Vezina or some playoff success to even have a sniff. Like I said, I think he's behind Kiprusoff right now, but has a better chance of doing more in the next part of his career, since he's 3 years younger.
Marian Hossa - probable. His numbers and two-way game are similar to Alfredsson's. He's helped by the Cup, but hurt by the fact that he'll be seen as a mercenary.
Henrik Zetterberg - He needs to do more, but if he keeps up the pace, he has a decent shot by the time his career ends. I honestly would induct him over Datsyuk, but I think he has less of a chance with the actual committee, since his regular season numbers aren't as high, and he doesn't have the trophy case (even though he should have won some of those Selkes over Datsyuk, he didn't).
Here are my thoughts:
Daniel Alfredsson - probable if he retires today; lock with a couple more years of compiling. The face of a Canadian franchise for over a decade. Good numbers, brings more than the numbers, defining playoff run in 2007.
Martin St. Louis - I don't think he gets in if he retires today, but give him a couple of more years at the top of the league (which I certainly think he can do playing with Stamkos), and he gets in.
Miikka Kiprusoff - he's off to a great start - he already has a Vezina and several other high finishes and a defining playoff run. He needs several more years near the top of the league though - is he young enough for it? Honestly, I have him ahead of Luongo right now, but I see him with less of a chance of keeping it up, due to age.
Zdeno Chára - lock if he retired today, probably 1st ballot by the time he retires. 4 postseason All-Stars, 1 Norris, 4th best defenseman of his generation (behind Lidstrom, Niedermayer, and Pronger). And he as that extra "fame" factor of being so freaking huge.
Pavel Datsyuk - by the end of his career, he'll probably get in. Major part of one of the best teams in the league, and like MS said, his trophy case is getting too big to ignore.
Roberto Luongo - needs a Vezina or some playoff success to even have a sniff. Like I said, I think he's behind Kiprusoff right now, but has a better chance of doing more in the next part of his career, since he's 3 years younger.
Marian Hossa - probable. His numbers and two-way game are similar to Alfredsson's. He's helped by the Cup, but hurt by the fact that he'll be seen as a mercenary.
Henrik Zetterberg - He needs to do more, but if he keeps up the pace, he has a decent shot by the time his career ends. I honestly would induct him over Datsyuk, but I think he has less of a chance with the actual committee, since his regular season numbers aren't as high, and he doesn't have the trophy case (even though he should have won some of those Selkes over Datsyuk, he didn't).
We all seem to be assuming that the committee will continue to go by wins and Cups in inducting goalies, because they have in the past. But I'm not sure we can assume that attitude is going to continue into the 2020s. Hockey insiders have to be noticing that teams are winning Cups with mediocre goalies, goalie salaries are being squeezed down, and that there are flash-in-the-pan netminders all over the place. Voters should also by then be used to the effects of a 30 team league, and will have seen elite players that never won rings because they fell victim to the numbers game. Maybe some of the older voters will remain stuck in the "a good goalie is a winning goalie" mindset, but those guys aren't going to be around forever.
The other factor is that save percentage is a relatively recent stat. There are only four goalies in the Hall of Fame who played in the NHL since the league started officially tracking save percentage. It's not surprising that so far it has not had a significant impact on rating goalies, but I fully expect that when voters compare, say, Carey Price's career to Marc-Andre Fleury's, career save percentage is going to be one of the first things that they bring up.
I think goalies will continue to be held to a higher standard than skaters, but that the standard won't rest entirely on trophies and rings. Mike Vernon and Tom Barrasso would already be in the Hall of Fame if it was all about wins and Cups. Barrasso has a Vezina, a Calder, three postseason All-Star teams, 2 Cup rings, and he's 15th all-time in wins. If hardware and championships are so vital, why isn't Barrasso in the Hall of Fame?
Curtis Joseph should be a good test case for how the voters evaluate goalies in a 30 team league. If Cujo gets in (or even if he gets seriously considered) then Luongo seems to be a borderline lock if he just keeps doing what he's already doing. After all, if Luongo averages 30 wins and 4 shutouts a year for the next 7 years his career numbers will match Ed Belfour's.
Perceptions have a funny way of changing late in players' careers as people start to notice their career numbers piling up. Just look at the way Brodeur passed Roy in many people's minds not because of rings or trophies, but because of his career numbers. I think a similar effect is likely to happen to Luongo if he can keep up his effectiveness into his mid to late 30s.
On the other hand I doubt Kiprusoff will play long enough to rack up some impressive career totals, so he doesn't seem to have much chance at getting in.
The other factor is that save percentage is a relatively recent stat. There are only four goalies in the Hall of Fame who played in the NHL since the league started officially tracking save percentage. It's not surprising that so far it has not had a significant impact on rating goalies, but I fully expect that when voters compare, say, Carey Price's career to Marc-Andre Fleury's, career save percentage is going to be one of the first things that they bring up.
I think goalies will continue to be held to a higher standard than skaters, but that the standard won't rest entirely on trophies and rings. Mike Vernon and Tom Barrasso would already be in the Hall of Fame if it was all about wins and Cups. Barrasso has a Vezina, a Calder, three postseason All-Star teams, 2 Cup rings, and he's 15th all-time in wins. If hardware and championships are so vital, why isn't Barrasso in the Hall of Fame?
Curtis Joseph should be a good test case for how the voters evaluate goalies in a 30 team league. If Cujo gets in (or even if he gets seriously considered) then Luongo seems to be a borderline lock if he just keeps doing what he's already doing. After all, if Luongo averages 30 wins and 4 shutouts a year for the next 7 years his career numbers will match Ed Belfour's.
Perceptions have a funny way of changing late in players' careers as people start to notice their career numbers piling up. Just look at the way Brodeur passed Roy in many people's minds not because of rings or trophies, but because of his career numbers. I think a similar effect is likely to happen to Luongo if he can keep up his effectiveness into his mid to late 30s.
On the other hand I doubt Kiprusoff will play long enough to rack up some impressive career totals, so he doesn't seem to have much chance at getting in.
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Iginla has 3 1st AST and 2 Richard trophies that Alfredsson doesn't, but he doesn't really have a better career than Alfie. Iginla has had a better peak, but also been more inconsistent.
Alfredsson isn't the power forward that Iginla is but has a better all-around game, and if Iginla continues his trend of being a perimeter player Alfredsson will look even better.
Alfredsson has played fewer regular season games, but put up more points, and has played almost twice as many playoff games. Iginla is a fair bit younger, but doesn't look like a player that will win any more awards right now.
Despite playing many more playoff games, Alfredsson also has the better record in international play.
Is the award glitz really enough to put Iginla as a lock, and Alfredsson as a borderline candidate?
You really think Green will get past 900 points? I don't think he's even hit 200 and he's what, 26? This era is too low scoring for anyone but generational defenseman (Lidstrom) to hit 1000+. Even guys like Zubov and Gonchar fell short by significant margins.
I want to ask - what is the difference between Alfredsson (sure HHOF) and Hossa (need-more-accomplishments) ???
Goals: Alfie (8,9,9,9) // Hossa (4,4,5,5,6) + 2nd best scorer of the 2000´s to Iginla
Assists: Alfie (8) // Hossa (0), edge goes to Alfie, but Hossa is not bad too
Points Alfie (4,7,9) // Hossa (5,6), it seems to be even, both have one 100 points season
Both made All-rookie team and 2nd All-star once, edge goes to Alfie with Calder, again Hossa was not bad rookie, too
Defensive skills - both are superior, I would give edge to Hossa, but can see arguments for Alfie, even
PO - both have Smythe calibre loosing playoff, Hossa made three consecutives SCF with three different teams and finally won.
Career numbers - Alfie would be happy if he ends with 450 goals mark (great number), Hossa will probably ends with 500-550 goals. Hossa will have more points with lower PPG number maybe.
Hossa is still in middle of his prime, Alfie is very close to career end.
So please give me arguments why is Alfie SURE LOCK and Hossa must something do, when Hossa is in middle of his prime comparable and probably even with Alfie at end of his career???
Thanx.
Alfredsson - better playmaker, but Hossa is not bad, too
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Goals: Alfie (8,9,9,9) // Hossa (4,4,5,5,6) + 2nd best scorer of the 2000´s to Iginla
Assists: Alfie (8) // Hossa (0), edge goes to Alfie, but Hossa is not bad too
Points Alfie (4,7,9) // Hossa (5,6), it seems to be even, both have one 100 points season
Both made All-rookie team and 2nd All-star once, edge goes to Alfie with Calder, again Hossa was not bad rookie, too
Defensive skills - both are superior, I would give edge to Hossa, but can see arguments for Alfie, even
PO - both have Smythe calibre loosing playoff, Hossa made three consecutives SCF with three different teams and finally won.
Career numbers - Alfie would be happy if he ends with 450 goals mark (great number), Hossa will probably ends with 500-550 goals. Hossa will have more points with lower PPG number maybe.
Hossa is still in middle of his prime, Alfie is very close to career end.
So please give me arguments why is Alfie SURE LOCK and Hossa must something do, when Hossa is in middle of his prime comparable and probably even with Alfie at end of his career???
Thanx.
Alfredsson - better playmaker, but Hossa is not bad, too
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TheDevilMadeMe
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Honestly, the biggest difference is that Alfredsson has been captain and face of a franchise (doesn't hurt that it's a Canadian franchise) for a really long time, while Hossa has the reputation as a mercenary.
I do disagree, however, that Hossa had a "Smythe calibre" playoffs in a losing cause - everyone knew Crosby was the biggest catalyst of that line.
But also, like you said, Hossa is in the middle of his prime, and hasn't yet accomplished what Alfredsson already did.
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Daniel Alfredsson - There are worse players already in the HOF. Considering his prominent role in a Canadian team, he probably gets in.
Martin St. Louis - Hart trophy with Art Ross and two other top ten scoring finishes. Hard to see him not getting in.
Miikka Kiprusoff - It's difficult to say how goalies other than Brodeur are going to be judged from the current generation. If he has another elite year or two he would probably be in.
Zdeno Chára - Already has enough accolades, and as previously stated he was the fourth best defenceman of his generation.
Pavel Datsyuk - Already a lock. Will be regarded as the best defensive forward of his generation and finished fourth in scoring twice.
Roberto Luongo - If he gets to the conference finals a few times or the finals once with Vancouver it'll probably be good enough to cement his legacy with the media. It's hard to say how goalies from this generation will be judged. Could really use a Vezina.
Marián Hossa - Probably not getting in. Not elite enough in the regular season, didn't contribute all that much in his second and third final runs and doesn't have the fame factor that Alfredsson has.
Henrik Zetterberg - Probably depends on how Detroit does in the playoffs over the next few years. Regular season results aren't good enough, but if Detroit goes on an extended playoff run or two and he plays as he has in the past then he has a shot. If Detroit won in 2009 I suspect he would definitely get in.
Martin St. Louis - Hart trophy with Art Ross and two other top ten scoring finishes. Hard to see him not getting in.
Miikka Kiprusoff - It's difficult to say how goalies other than Brodeur are going to be judged from the current generation. If he has another elite year or two he would probably be in.
Zdeno Chára - Already has enough accolades, and as previously stated he was the fourth best defenceman of his generation.
Pavel Datsyuk - Already a lock. Will be regarded as the best defensive forward of his generation and finished fourth in scoring twice.
Roberto Luongo - If he gets to the conference finals a few times or the finals once with Vancouver it'll probably be good enough to cement his legacy with the media. It's hard to say how goalies from this generation will be judged. Could really use a Vezina.
Marián Hossa - Probably not getting in. Not elite enough in the regular season, didn't contribute all that much in his second and third final runs and doesn't have the fame factor that Alfredsson has.
Henrik Zetterberg - Probably depends on how Detroit does in the playoffs over the next few years. Regular season results aren't good enough, but if Detroit goes on an extended playoff run or two and he plays as he has in the past then he has a shot. If Detroit won in 2009 I suspect he would definitely get in.
Instead of bad series against Ottawa (he scored at low level) he get enough points in next three series to finish third in points race as a best goal scorer.TheDevilMadeMe said:
He almost on his own defeated Flyers and Rangers.. He was a key contributor.
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