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- Sep 10, 2012
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That is not a fact. That is an opinion.
I wont argue with you. Just try it sometime.
Also look at Will Johnson Crossfit video on Youtube.
Great story
Why cant you? I do it. Hundreds of others do it. Some people get hurt out of ignorance to their recovery or form and bad teachings and now the entire philosophy goes under?
? The beauty of crossfit is the cross-training aspect. One day you do gymnastics, one day you WL, one day you do both. It attacks all differ muscles so your not overloading one part of your body.
With proper recovery and rest and hydration... you can def do it
There are people who do. Just like people who play hockey everyday or run marathons every other week. And run everyday...
If you dont want to... its fine. Dont say you cant. I see it already
I have mixed feelings about cross-fit. I have seen some places that are coached very well and everyone only progresses when form is perfect. On the flip side I have seen some disasters where someone is doing a clean, extending in their back and you can tell they are a pull or push away from blowing a disk in their back. Cross-Fit has such a wide range of its good and bad that its tough to generalize it saying that its awesome or awful.
When training you need to have phases where you are setting yourself up to be successful. You need to build a base and then start adding the building blocks to that. If you are building a house you have to dig a hole, pour the concrete and then you start to build the house on top. Our bodies are essentially the same, build a strong base so that your body can functionally stabilize the weight that you start to push around.
Ciao,
TD
Do you realize you are pretty much confirming the "cultish" stereotype in everyone's mind? The more you post, the more I wonder whether CF is right for any serious adult. Let it go, man. Some people think your gym is silly. The world will go on.
Why can't (shouldn't) you? Because it's SCIENCE. As you continue to tire your body, you break down both mentally and physically. We're on a hockey message board, so here's a good example - why do you think mistakes and bad passes are more prone to happen in the 3rd period of a game than the 1st? Or at the end of a shift compared to the beginning of a shift? Because of physical and mental fatigue. Throwing something into a circuit that has bad consequences when your form breaks down, like deadlifts, is just a HORRIBLE idea.
And by the way I used to do some Crossfit workouts. And still occasionally do the "Murph". It has some good principles, but I'm vehemently against telling people to do compound lifts against the clock. It's just flat out dangerous and asking for form to break down.
Really? Is that the basis of Crossfit, doing as much as you can in 20 minutes?
Halfway into the deployment- they looked like Greek Gods. At the end of the deployment, 1/3 of them needed surgery due to CF related injuries. And the medic had a prolapsed rectum. Not sure if that had anything to do with CF. I had severe tendinitis in both my elbows, and I only CF'd a couple of days a week with them. Probably due more to regular freeweights. And I'm old, so there's that.
Agreed.
I've generally felt that people attacking Crossfit in this thread have been unjustified in their attacks. But Thesensation19 has been giving them more and more fodder.
When people walk themselves into a gym and "teach" themselves what to do, incorrectly, that's their own dumbass fault if they get hurt because they didn't ever learn any better. If one follows a routine - ANY routine - that has a mindset to push yourself to always beat numbers/time or race with compound/explosive lifts, that's only lending to the injury risk.
That is upsetting. I would suggest you first fix the issue in your knee. With massages, ice packs, walks and proper rest.
More importantly is improving the flexibility of your knee, ankle and hips. Something so overlooked.
Then strengthen the muscles of your knee and quads.
Thats when you do lunges and squats. People get scared that squats is not good for bad knees. A proper squat. An ideal one. Is not one in which will do anything bad foryour knee. A squat is sitting down. Bad knee form will damage further
I understand that, my point is that any routine that touts pushing the envelope/beating the clock/beating your records or whatever is just ripe for people bringing problems upon themselves because of it. Anyone who is bright enough to know when to back off, they're not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about the same people who think as long as they can move weights, bad form or otherwise, it's all good.
I dont do crossfit personally but I have done some of the exercises.
You mention good and bad coaching but this is no different than any other activity including hockey. Many a guy has been injured because of poor coaching in practices.
Also our bodies are not really like houses. Our bodies are capable of adapting. For thousands of years and really up until recently people did not have the luxury of "building a base". They bailed that hay or hunted that lion or they didnt make it. People lived.
Id say more of our injury problems are due to sedentary lifestyles and mixed in with occassional boughts of exercising.
This is were I see a lot of the crossfit issues coming from. People overextending themselves.
The interesting thing is reading about how the soviets ran their sports programs it wasnt all that different than what we now call crossfit. In fact a lot of the exercises are adopted from them.
I've definitely had a few "That felt close to being a disaster" moments with my knees doing Insanity. No idea how close it actually was because I'm paranoid about knee and ankle stuff.
I have mixed feelings about cross-fit. I have seen some places that are coached very well and everyone only progresses when form is perfect. On the flip side I have seen some disasters where someone is doing a clean, extending in their back and you can tell they are a pull or push away from blowing a disk in their back. Cross-Fit has such a wide range of its good and bad that its tough to generalize it saying that its awesome or awful.
When training you need to have phases where you are setting yourself up to be successful. You need to build a base and then start adding the building blocks to that. If you are building a house you have to dig a hole, pour the concrete and then you start to build the house on top. Our bodies are essentially the same, build a strong base so that your body can functionally stabilize the weight that you start to push around.
Ciao,
TD
Good stuff Coach. I'll just add that the reason why I wouldn't advocate CrossFit to hockey players is because the goals and approaches of CrossFit conflict with many goals a hockey player has in their training.
Firstly, training should be structured according to the needs of the athlete, the time of the year (off-season, in-season etc...) and the phase of training (strength, power, conditioning).
Secondly, each phase of training has specific purpose and so regularly shuffling exercises around conflicts with those goals. Players should be trying to push and progress the same lifts and exercises in each phase.
Finally, the goal in sports specific training is to perform the right quantity of each exercise with specific rest intervals. This is true in strength, plyometric and conditioning workouts. Going for high reps or trying to cram reps into a set time is counter-productive for hockey players. You'll get fit but not in a way that's optimal for hockey.
Good on Scott Thornton though — life after hockey for many players means more pizza and beer.
Good stuff Coach. I'll just add that the reason why I wouldn't advocate CrossFit to hockey players is because the goals and approaches of CrossFit conflict with many goals a hockey player has in their training.
Firstly, training should be structured according to the needs of the athlete, the time of the year (off-season, in-season etc...) and the phase of training (strength, power, conditioning).
Secondly, each phase of training has specific purpose and so regularly shuffling exercises around conflicts with those goals. Players should be trying to push and progress the same lifts and exercises in each phase.
Finally, the goal in sports specific training is to perform the right quantity of each exercise with specific rest intervals. This is true in strength, plyometric and conditioning workouts. Going for high reps or trying to cram reps into a set time is counter-productive for hockey players. You'll get fit but not in a way that's optimal for hockey.
Good on Scott Thornton though — life after hockey for many players means more pizza and beer.
Couldn't agree more TK.
Hockey players don't have beer and pizza post career do they?
Ciao,
TD