Confirmed with Link: Coyotes sign Luke Schenn - 2 years, $1.25m per

[Palmer2Fitz]

Quick question. Who else have we bought out besides Ribeiro? I'm drawing a blank when thinking of someone else.

 

[Jakey53]

Getting a bunch of PK minutes on one of the league's worst PKs is not the same as being an effective PKer. Just tossing that out there.

True, but one man doesn't make a PK or PP. He was put out there for a reason.

Unfortunately that qualifier applies to our few "good" Pkers too

Yes, it works both ways.

 

[rt]

True, but one man doesn't make a PK or PP. He was put out there for a reason.



Yes, it works both ways.

I was talking about Michalek

 

[Jakey53]

I was talking about Michalek

Are you saying Z is not a good PK'er?

 

[rt]

I'm saying that can't be concluded by number of minutes played on one of the worst PKs in the league.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Quick question. Who else have we bought out besides Ribeiro? I'm drawing a blank when thinking of someone else.

I don't remember anyone else. We were planning on buying out Gagner but ended up moving him for Grossman and Pronger... I think Ribs might be the only one.

 

[Jakey53]

I'm saying that can't be concluded by number of minutes played on one of the worst PKs in the league.

What does PK minutes play have anything to do with the PK being good or bad? Z has being a PK for years, and in my opinion has been damn good at it.

 

[tuxonpups]

Didn't we buy out Dave Scatchard as well? I remember him on the salary chart long after his playing days were over.

 

[Matias Maccete]

What does PK minutes play have anything to do with the PK being good or bad? Z has being a PK for years, and in my opinion has been damn good at it.

What he's saying is that pk minutes aren't a good indicator of if the player is actually good on the pk. For example player A has tons of pk minutes on the worst pk in the league, and only gets a lot of time because he's the best option they have. Player B has less minutes, but is a better pker, his team just has more and better players who are capable of playing the pk. I don't think he's saying it means Z is a good or bad pker, just saying minutes alone aren't a good stat for measuring a player's pk prowess.

 

[rt]

What does PK minutes play have anything to do with the PK being good or bad? Z has being a PK for years, and in my opinion has been damn good at it.

Go back am read the damned initial response if you can't follow along. I'm done with this circular nonsense. Time for a Jake break.

 

[Jakey53]

Go back am read the damned initial response if you can't follow along. I'm done with this circular nonsense. Time for a Jake break.

Feelings are mutual.

 

[Flyotes]

Luke is an upgrade from Grossmann. Luke has a good first outlet pass. He can shoot a little from the point. He is very willing to drop the gloves and looks to utterly erase people on the boards.

His skating is an issue, so he plays like it.

 

[Jormungandr]

Didn't we buy out Dave Scatchard as well? I remember him on the salary chart long after his playing days were over.

No. Scatchard's career was ended by a concussion. He was still on the books because he still had a contract.

 

[Jakey53]

What he's saying is that pk minutes aren't a good indicator of if the player is actually good on the pk. For example player A has tons of pk minutes on the worst pk in the league, and only gets a lot of time because he's the best option they have. Player B has less minutes, but is a better pker, his team just has more and better players who are capable of playing the pk. I don't think he's saying it means Z is a good or bad pker, just saying minutes alone aren't a good stat for measuring a player's pk prowess.

He was talking about one player. Z has been on the PK for years on different teams. If it was a two year span I would agree with you, but over a decade of proven PK your argument does not hold water.

 

[Matias Maccete]

He was talking about one player. Z has been on the PK for years on different teams. If it was a two year span I would agree with you, but over a decade of proven PK your argument does not hold water.

It's not my argument I'm attempting to break down the idea for you. He's not saying Z is good or bad, he's strictly talking about the measurement (pk minutes played).

He's saying that's not a good measure of a player's pk ability. There could be a team with crappy pkers who has someone who isn't good at it play lots of minutes.

 

[kihekah19*]

Luke is an upgrade from Grossmann. Luke has a good first outlet pass. He can shoot a little from the point. He is very willing to drop the gloves and looks to utterly erase people on the boards.

His skating is an issue, so he plays like it.

The human eraser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Ejn-p-48s

 

[zerekstar]

The human eraser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Ejn-p-48s

Our team sure can use some of that kind of talent.

 

[lanky]

The human eraser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Ejn-p-48s

I think Pierre McGuire gave him that name in Schenn's draft year. Glad he doesn't have a job in the Canadian media anymore.

 

[RemoAZ]

Our team sure can use some of that kind of talent.

Exactly. That's why I like this signing even if he turns out to be a total non factor because some of the younger guys step up sooner than expected. I see him as a Z replacement. I don't see why he can't fill the ever declining role Z had defensively and he brings a physical element that Z never had which is what this team sorely lacks. It's a low cost role of the dice on a guy with a lot of experience but who is still only 26. If it allows them to move Z, even better.

 

[OriginalJetsCoyotes]

He's only 26, whats to say he can't work on his skating and become faster? Hopefully our management and coaching staff can work on his skating and he gets better overall.

Many of you have been preaching posession but I'm still a huge fan of the stay-at-home style of defense. They make fantastic partners for those who move the puck.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

I am relatively happy with this considering the contract. I think Schenn will do fine in his role and his physicality will be better than Michalek or Grossman.

The key will be to find the correct LD partner for him.

 

[kihekah19*]

I think Pierre McGuire gave him that name in Schenn's draft year. Glad he doesn't have a job in the Canadian media anymore.

Now if we can just get him off NBC!

 

[kihekah19*]

Our team sure can use some of that kind of talent.

Yep it's a good signing. A guy that brings a strong physical presence and can actually play.

 

[XX]

He's only 26, whats to say he can't work on his skating and become faster?

Common sense. He has played in over 500 games. If he was able to improve his skating, he would have. He wouldn't be forced to sign a 'stay in the league' deal at age 26.

He will need to have great positioning and a partner that he plays well with to be an effective defender.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Common sense. He has played in over 500 games. If he was able to improve his skating, he would have. He wouldn't be forced to sign a 'stay in the league' deal at age 26.

He will need to have great positioning and a partner that he plays well with to be an effective defender.

He may be an incremental upgrade, but he is an upgrade nonetheless. And for a very good price. Consider the need for someone on our third pairing to actually do some hitting.