Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #1

[Jakey53]

This is similar to how I feel about this Yotes roster. Love some of the core pieces… but need some trades and player development to pan out…. As does every Cup contending team

Forget about the roster for a minute, but we need a coach, not any coach, but a very very good coach. This is the most important part of the puzzle.

 

[Mosby]

Friedman says he suspects, like Dougie Hamilton, the Sharks will let pending UFA Kurtis Gabriel talk to clubs ahead of UFA.

I hope we put in a call.

 

[moosemeister]

Gabriel needs to be a Coyote next year.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

31 Thoughts: How Stanley Cup Playoffs could affect the blueliner market - Sportsnet.ca

14. Arizona’s given permission for teams to talk to Liam Kirk, who just had a terrific World Championships for Great Britain. The Coyotes have his rights for another year, so a trade needs to be worked out. But Kirk can talk to other clubs.

 

[moosemeister]

I wonder what the deal is with Kirk. He’s done everything you can ask a player to do

 

[RABBIT]

A little “woah” from left field:
31 Thoughts: How Stanley Cup Playoffs could affect the blueliner market - Sportsnet.ca

15. Philadelphia’s got a lot of balls in the air. I figured they’d be in on Hamilton, but, as mentioned above, he doesn’t appears to be their top target. I’m speculating here, but my guesses would include Seth Jones and Matt Dumba (who GM Chuck Fletcher knows very well). It also wouldn’t be a shocker if they have asked the Coyotes about 2019 first-rounder Victor Soderstrom. The Flyers liked him at that draft, and Arizona actually flipped picks with them to move up and take the Swedish defenceman.

 

[RABBIT]

Friedman says he suspects, like Dougie Hamilton, the Sharks will let pending UFA Kurtis Gabriel talk to clubs ahead of UFA.

I hope we put in a call.

Gabriel needs to be a Coyote next year.

I hope we put in a call on both players

 

[Grimes]

A little “woah” from left field:
31 Thoughts: How Stanley Cup Playoffs could affect the blueliner market - Sportsnet.ca

This is so strange. Hopefully it is just that they have asked, it wouldn't make sense for us to move any of our defensive prospects. This makes me feel uneasy, but I'll try not to put too much weight onto it.

 

[Alberta Yote]

I wonder what the deal is with Kirk. He’s done everything you can ask a player to do

He’s the other guy’s pick

 

[RABBIT]

This is so strange. Hopefully it is just that they have asked, it wouldn't make sense for us to move any of our defensive prospects. This makes me feel uneasy, but I'll try not to put too much weight onto it.

I know that Friedman gets a bad rap for speculating a lot, but he usually doesn’t throw out specific names unless there’s at least whispers about a player. Philly can ask all they want, but we have no incentive to move him, so we have the upper hand. If they want to blow us away, I’m all ears.

 

[RABBIT]

If we lose Kirk, I’ll be as upset as I was when we lost Letunov. No offense to either player, but I’m not sure the impact will be as big as we may think.

 

[Sm00chy]

If we lose Kirk, I’ll be as upset as I was when we lost Letunov. No offense to either player, but I’m not sure the impact will be as big as we may think.

Yea not worried.

Would I like to see what he can do in the AHL? Sure...but I wont lose any sleep if he is moved.

 

[AZviaNJ]

I wonder what the deal is with Kirk. He’s done everything you can ask a player to do

Agreed! Why would an organization desperate for goal scoring give up on a 21 year old who’s proven to score at every level he’s played. Arizona Coyotes: Time to pay attention to Liam Kirk

 

[Sm00chy]

Agreed! Why would an organization desperate for goal scoring give up on a 21 year old who’s proven to score at every level he’s played. Arizona Coyotes: Time to pay attention to Liam Kirk

Because someone might be willing to overpay on a count of "recency bias"

 

[PainForShane]

You know what?

Steering us in a new direction I wouldn't mind if we signed Karl Alzner for the league minimum for a year or two. He's 32 (about the same age as Ness who is 31) and has quite a bit to prove. And I have a lot more faith in him than Aaron Ness as our third pair LD.

Then you have:

OEL -- ?? (maybe Demers)
Chychrun -- ?? (hopefully Hakanpaa!!!!)
Alzner / Capo -- Bush / Soderstrom

You've saved just over 10m in cap space because Goose and Hammer are gone, bump that up to ~$15m if we let Raanta walk (don't necessarily think that's a good idea, Adin Hill has consistently failed my eye test but I definitely am in the minority here). Cap space is good and you can maybe use that for more draft picks depending on the team's performance. And you don't have to rush the young guys.

Regardless, Army's first real chance to put an impact on this team is in how he addresses our UFA defensemen. Let's see how he does good luck BA!

 

[Mangosteen]

I agree. Hill looks so shaky at times. Hopefully he will be a strong back up in the NHL.

 

[FaschingStatement]

Reinhart for Garland?

 

[PainForShane]

Reinhart for Garland?

No -- Garland has too much soul. He's like the Aretha Franklin of this Coyotes generation

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Because someone might be willing to overpay on a count of "recency bias"

He'd be signed to an entry level contract wherever he signs. He can't get overpaid.

 

[Jakey53]

He'd be signed to an entry level contract wherever he signs. He can't get overpaid.

I think they meant in assets not $$$

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I just wish we would be the team behind the 7th rounder success story for once if Kirk ends up turning into anything, which I honestly think he has a solid chance to.

 

[Sm00chy]

He'd be signed to an entry level contract wherever he signs. He can't get overpaid.

Overpay as in what they would be willing to trade to receive his rights

 

[Grimes]

I just wish we would be the team behind the 7th rounder success story for once if Kirk ends up turning into anything, which I honestly think he has a solid chance to.

I mean Garland...

 

[AZviaNJ]

Friedman says he suspects, like Dougie Hamilton, the Sharks will let pending UFA Kurtis Gabriel talk to clubs ahead of UFA.

I hope we put in a call.

I hope GMBA is all over this. Gabriel would be a great addition. He’s had a rough story and shown incredible resilience.

 

[HowlofRevel]

Because someone might be willing to overpay on a count of "recency bias"

I don't think anyone is overpaying for anything. Its got to be as simple as:

Kirk has contract offers from European leagues, likely the Liiga, Maybe the NLA.
Kirk wants to play in North America. He does not have the history or clout to get a North American out-clause in contract negotiations with European leagues.
GMBA is not willing to give him a contract at this point - probably never paid any attention to him outside the World Championships. Nobody in this organization has any history with Kirk. The whole staff has turned over in the last year and a half.
Kirk needs to commit to European offer before time Coyotes Vet camp starts - no chance to earn a North American contract before Liiga starts.
Coyotes doing Kirk a solid by allowing him to see if any other teams will sign him to a contract now.

We won't be getting much more than another unsigned draft pick in a Kirk trade.