Could/Should the NHL cancel all trade deadline deals?

[Legion34]

What would happen in the Lehner trade? The leafs got a pick for money. The leafs paid the money. So that gets reversed too?

what about players like Barrie/ceci. Expiring contracts....when do you decide to stop it? The deadline or a week before? A month?

 

[SotasicA]

I wonder if it affects next year's deadline, if there are fears the covid comes back for a second wave?

The second wave of the Spanish flu was the nasty one. You never know.

 

[Beville]

These deals is why the season will continue when ever that is.

Yeah it’s not gonna continue.

As for the deals; suck it up. You should’ve negotiated better if it’s now gonna bite you in the ass.

 

[Hockeyholic]

MLB (A superior league. Though not by much) just essentially admitted Betts could walk from the Dodgers without ever taking an at bat with them. Stuff happens. Too bad.

 

[TheOtherOne]

Heh, I'd be okay with AA coming back. I dunno if it'd be good for the team but it'd be entertaining for the board at least.

 

[El Travo]

It's really not. Random things happen. This is one of them.

Canes gave the Devils two prospects and a conditional pick for Sami Vatanen, who was injured at the time. He was due back to be playing by now, but the season was "postponed" before he ever dressed. So we lost as many as 3 prospects for a player who never even dressed for us.

On a practical level, this is no different than if Vatanen had simply regressed in his rehab. Unless medical info was hidden, we wouldn't have any right to go back and grab those prospects back from the Devils. It would simply be "wow, that trade really turned out bad for us... sucks" and everyone would move on.

It's completely different. Players were able and willing to play and circumstances outside the game of hockey caused the season to be cancelled. A guy getting hurt during the season is part of the game, it's a known thing that happens all the time. GM's know this and are willing to take a gamble on it. A pandemic cancelling a season has nothing in common with an injury taking a guy out because it's unprecedented in the modern era. It's not a "That sucks,but let's move on and try to win without that asset", it's a "We just gave up a bunch of stuff for a rental in order to win and the season got pulled out from under us, great."

Again, I don't think trades should be reversed. But let's stop acting like a pandemic cancelling the season and an injury are the same thing.

 

[Voight]

The teams who made those trades still got the players for a couple games.

Besides, the 2004-2005 lockout didn't cancel any deals made at the 04 draft. Stuff happens.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's completely different. Players were able and willing to play and circumstances outside the game of hockey caused the season to be cancelled. A guy getting hurt during the season is part of the game, it's a known thing that happens all the time. GM's know this and are willing to take a gamble on it. A pandemic cancelling a season has nothing in common with an injury taking a guy out because it's unprecedented in the modern era. It's not a "That sucks,but let's move on and try to win without that asset", it's a "We just gave up a bunch of stuff for a rental in order to win and the season got pulled out from under us, great."

Again, I don't think trades should be reversed. But let's stop acting like a pandemic cancelling the season and an injury are the same thing.

How is it different from Vatanen getting mono while sitting at home recovering from an injury?

You make a trade, you takes your chances.

 

[Picklepete]

I don't know if anybody already brought up the idea here.

Now that the 2019-20 season is all but gone, it seems unfair to certain teams who got rid of young prospects/picks in the hope of making a run at the Cup, especially if soon-to-be UFAs are involved.

That's even worse in Jr., where teams traded for players in their final season, who will not be back next year.

What do you think?

Hell no !
And this comes from a lightning fan & we gave up 2 first-round picks.

 

[Hattrickkane88]

Later additional compensation picks maybe. But no deal reversals.

compensation picks ARE part of the deal.

 

[Super Cake]

Not all deadline deals were for rentals. Actually I believe most were for players with at least another year left on their contract.

For Vegas, i know Martinez has a year left. So at least that is good. That is if the NHL doesn't shorten next season. lol

The deal that sucks the most for Vegas is the Lehner trade. Gave up assets for what could just be 3 games of Lehner.

And with this pandemic possibly causing the cap to go down, there is just no way the Knights will be able to afford him. Even before this crisis and with the hints that the cap was reportedly going to go up, the Knights were going to have a hard time re-signing him. Now that with what has happened, there is basically 0% chance they sign him unless they get rid of a player that makes a ton of money.

But what is done is done. Would i like the NHL to cancel the Lehner trade? Yea, especially if the playoffs get cancelled. I mean who wouldn't? But i now that is never going to happen.

 

[GSG1165]

What about the Pageau deal? He was a rental but then resigned for 6 years. Is that deal void now? No

 

[Taluss]

Any rental should have an extra year added to their contract imo.

 

[CanadienShark]

Any rental should have an extra year added to their contract imo.

That crossed my mind, but the players would never accept this. Some guys played most of a season to become a UFA. You better bet they don't want to wait another year.

 

[HockeyMomx2]

I don't know if anybody already brought up the idea here.

Now that the 2019-20 season is all but gone, it seems unfair to certain teams who got rid of young prospects/picks in the hope of making a run at the Cup, especially if soon-to-be UFAs are involved.

That's even worse in Jr., where teams traded for players in their final season, who will not be back next year.

What do you think?

Life isn't fair. Fact.

 

[Sotty]

A compromise could be giving those teams the option to protect an additional player in the Seattle expansion draft.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Any rental should have an extra year added to their contract imo.

Good luck explaining to a player that he’s losing a year of free agency because he missed 1/4 of a season.

 

[El Travo]

How is it different from Vatanen getting mono while sitting at home recovering from an injury?

You make a trade, you takes your chances.

You take your chances on that player, not on the season getting cancelled.

 

[Brownies]

Most teams would have not won the cup and/or at least regret their investment. There are worst injustices in this world.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

No.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

It's completely different. Players were able and willing to play and circumstances outside the game of hockey caused the season to be cancelled. A guy getting hurt during the season is part of the game, it's a known thing that happens all the time. GM's know this and are willing to take a gamble on it. A pandemic cancelling a season has nothing in common with an injury taking a guy out because it's unprecedented in the modern era. It's not a "That sucks,but let's move on and try to win without that asset", it's a "We just gave up a bunch of stuff for a rental in order to win and the season got pulled out from under us, great."

Again, I don't think trades should be reversed. But let's stop acting like a pandemic cancelling the season and an injury are the same thing.

You're getting caught up on semantics. Regardless of the scenario, the end result is teams acquired players who may never play for them. How that occurred doesn't really matter in the end.

 

[Sniper99]

I don't know if anybody already brought up the idea here.

Now that the 2019-20 season is all but gone, it seems unfair to certain teams who got rid of young prospects/picks in the hope of making a run at the Cup, especially if soon-to-be UFAs are involved.

That's even worse in Jr., where teams traded for players in their final season, who will not be back next year.

What do you think?

Nope, thats life, shit happens.

 

[Pandaman11]

No, Nolan Foote is gone, shyte happens

 

[tarheelhockey]

You take your chances on that player, not on the season getting cancelled.

To make this clearer: you are not trading for GP by that player, you are trading for his contract rights.

The Hurricanes currently hold Vatanen's rights. The Devils have the rights to Fredrik Claesson, Janne Kuokkanen, and a player to be drafted in the 4th round. Both teams have exactly what they traded for.

Whether the season is played... whether the player is healthy... whether someone chooses to report or not report... whether the player sucks and gets sent to the AHL... all of these are completely independent of holding contract rights, which are the sole subject of the trade. When you make a trade, you are entitled to contract rights and you take your chances on everything else falling into place to make those rights have applied value.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It’s no different than if a player gets injured. Sucks, but it would be far less fair to reverse those deals and wipe out all TDL benefits for sellers based on a random event.

How would it be less fair? It seems equally unfair for everyone involved no matter what.

It would seem just as unfair to have a team lose their 1st round pick (or whatever they gave up) for nothing because of a random event as well.