Confirmed with Link: Cossa signs entry level deal

[newfy]

Reasons like this is why I hate the CHL/AHL agreement. He’s not going to benefit or learn anything dominating the CHL for another year. He should get to play in th the AHL or maybe even the ECHL instead, against men. You can’t tell me this doesn’t hurt the development of many prospects, just because owners are greedy.

The guy has barely played 50 games in junior, has never had to deal with the grid of a long season, has never played a big international tournament and has had a really stacked team while hes down there.

Theres plenty for him to learnin junior and 50 games spread over 2 years is hardly enough to say the guy must leave to continue to develop

 

[Revenge of Gru]

This ELC will dubble slid because he's a late 02, like a 03 (if he doesn't play at least 10 NHL games seasons 21/22 and 22/23). He can earliest sign a standard contract season 26/27!! I think it fits perfect into Yzerman's plan. Red Wings are clear winners with this deal. Kids are too hot on signing bonuses...

Meh...he's a goalie. Get back to me in 5 or 6 years.

 

[Retire91]

I didn't realize ELC are that meaningful? Aren't there tons of ELC players that still play in the minors? I guess I don't see a larger meaning in this. The wings sign their first round draft pick, not a surprise.

 

[Henkka]

Signing Cossa 1year later would have meant no entry-level slide, because of the late birthday.

Signing him as 18-old does a favor for us. Can slide 2 years and becomes a 5-year deal on that scenario.

 

[WF19]

Will he get a chance at the prospect tournament or be at Wings camp? Good experience if he can.

 

[Oddbob]

Can people stop acting like the CHL is some bush league development system. There is a tremendous reason it is the main feeder system to the NHL and why many young Euros come to play there.

It literally has not hurt any player to play well and beyond their means in either of the 3 leagues. Playing pro can also be bad for youngsters, as if they aren't ready you can kill their momentum and confidence.

 

[Marky9er]

Can people stop acting like the CHL is some bush league development system. There is a tremendous reason it is the main feeder system to the NHL and why many young Euros come to play there.

It literally has not hurt any player to play well and beyond their means in either of the 3 leagues. Playing pro can also be bad for youngsters, as if they aren't ready you can kill their momentum and confidence.

I figure CHL is perfect prep for goaltending in Detroit as there is no defense.

 

[WaW]

Can people stop acting like the CHL is some bush league development system. There is a tremendous reason it is the main feeder system to the NHL and why many young Euros come to play there.

It literally has not hurt any player to play well and beyond their means in either of the 3 leagues. Playing pro can also be bad for youngsters, as if they aren't ready you can kill their momentum and confidence.

It's usually American fans who hate on it, unsurprisingly. The CHL is an amazing deal for the NHL as a whole as the basically develop about 40% of the NHL's player base at any given time for dirt cheap.

I always laugh when I read people say "the ECHL would be better for their development". The ECHL is a dumpster fire of a beer league. I went to a Brampton Beast ECHL game once (lol) it might have been the worst hockey I've ever seen in my life. There were like 4 fights and a guy got thrown out for a brutal hit from behind, and the game finished 2-1. It's got a very 90s feel to it but with bad pro players, and nothing about it translates to the modern major professional game.

Yeah, in a few cases it would be nice to use the AHL for some prospects, but lets not pretend that it tanks prospects for them to have to play an extra year in junior. Very few players actually "have nothing else they can possibly learn in junior" as the myth goes. There are always things players can work on. Goalies especially. We should have no problem with Cossa doing 2 more years in junior.

 

[Revenge of Gru]

It's usually American fans who hate on it, unsurprisingly. The CHL is an amazing deal for the NHL as a whole as the basically develop about 40% of the NHL's player base at any given time for dirt cheap.

I always laugh when I read people say "the ECHL would be better for their development". The ECHL is a dumpster fire of a beer league. I went to a Brampton Beast ECHL game once (lol) it might have been the worst hockey I've ever seen in my life. There were like 4 fights and a guy got thrown out for a brutal hit from behind, and the game finished 2-1. It's got a very 90s feel to it but with bad pro players, and nothing about it translates to the modern major professional game.

Yeah, in a few cases it would be nice to use the AHL for some prospects, but lets not pretend that it tanks prospects for them to have to play an extra year in junior. Very few players actually "have nothing else they can possibly learn in junior" as the myth goes. There are always things players can work on. Goalies especially. We should have no problem with Cossa doing 2 more years in junior.

As an American fan I agree. 2 years in Junior and then hopefully he can take a backup position in the AHL. Hopefully he competes and takes the AHL starter job by year 2. Then maybe NHL backup for awhile. Hopefully in 5 years he can compete for the starting job. Hopefully in 7 years he can become a top 10 goalie.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

It's usually American fans who hate on it, unsurprisingly. The CHL is an amazing deal for the NHL as a whole as the basically develop about 40% of the NHL's player base at any given time for dirt cheap.

I always laugh when I read people say "the ECHL would be better for their development". The ECHL is a dumpster fire of a beer league. I went to a Brampton Beast ECHL game once (lol) it might have been the worst hockey I've ever seen in my life. There were like 4 fights and a guy got thrown out for a brutal hit from behind, and the game finished 2-1. It's got a very 90s feel to it but with bad pro players, and nothing about it translates to the modern major professional game.

Yeah, in a few cases it would be nice to use the AHL for some prospects, but lets not pretend that it tanks prospects for them to have to play an extra year in junior. Very few players actually "have nothing else they can possibly learn in junior" as the myth goes. There are always things players can work on. Goalies especially. We should have no problem with Cossa doing 2 more years in junior.

Rasmussen was one of those few guys. Because he was going 2 PPG with Tri-City and just using the fact he was physically larger to push guys around. Literal man versus boys scenario. The AHL would have been perfect for his continued growth but they had to rush him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Rasmussen was one of those few guys. Because he was going 2 PPG with Tri-City and just using the fact he was physically larger to push guys around. Literal man versus boys scenario. The AHL would have been perfect for his continued growth but they had to rush him.

He went 2ppg in the postseason. Not the full year.

His overall season was not so impressive with 59 points in 47 games. I really hate the narrative that we HAD to rush Rasmussen because we didn't. He didn't blow the league up in the regular season, throw his team on his back and dominate shift after shift. The kid had a hot streak at the right time.

Here's Tri City's playoff box scores from the year.
Tri-City Americans – Official site of the Tri-City Americans

And here's Rasmussen's team's playoff stats.
Tri-City Americans at eliteprospects.com

7 of his teammates scored at or above 1ppg over the course of the playoffs. Tri City scored 5 or more goals 10 times in 14 games during that postseason. And if you look at those scores they were not the most defensive of contests.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

He went 2ppg in the postseason. Not the full year.

His overall season was not so impressive with 59 points in 47 games. I really hate the narrative that we HAD to rush Rasmussen because we didn't. He didn't blow the league up in the regular season, throw his team on his back and dominate shift after shift. The kid had a hot streak at the right time.

Here's Tri City's playoff box scores from the year.
Tri-City Americans – Official site of the Tri-City Americans

And here's Rasmussen's team's playoff stats.
Tri-City Americans at eliteprospects.com

7 of his teammates scored at or above 1ppg over the course of the playoffs. Tri City scored 5 or more goals 10 times in 14 games during that postseason. And if you look at those scores they were not the most defensive of contests.

I defer. I just remembered the time at which he was 2 PPG. I didn't dig into how Rasmussen was doing. I'll admit that.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I defer. I just remembered the time at which he was 2 PPG. I didn't dig into how Rasmussen was doing. I'll admit that.

It's ok. When Ras went 2ppg in those playoffs I was also really excited at the time and thought we had stolen a real gem, and that all the reports about how he should have been picked in the 20s were way off. When he had his rookie NHL season Rasmussen looked as out of place as you or I would on the Red Wings, so I did some more digging. Lots of PPGs and ENGs. Over 20 points in the first 8 games of the postseason against weaker competition but when Tri City played Everett his totals dipped to 9 points in 6 games.

I stand by my belief that it's a bad idea to draft junior level specialists, whether it be a junior PP specialist or junior PK specialist. There's a really low success rate when drafting these types.

 

[MBH]

Some thoughts on Cossa - the Wings' 18-year-old goalie in the prospect tournament.
* 6'6, but doesn't actually look that big in the net. Maybe he could come out a bit? He'll also get wider as he fills out.
* Not sure if he just had the jitters, but he seemed to play tight and forced, and not smooth
* Needs to bring that glove up.
* Didn't look like he had pro form. He's got 2-3 years to develop that before I begin to be concerned.
* He's pretty young to be playing in this tournament. Who was the last 18-year-old goalie to play for the Wings in TC? Mrazek, maybe?

 

[jaster]

His glove may need to come up, but he also needs to not go down so early. It's only one game, but based on that, the book on this kid is "shoot high, he'll be on his knees as soon as the puck is within the faceoff dots."

 

[golffuul]

His glove may need to come up, but he also needs to not go down so early. It's only one game, but based on that, the book on this kid is "shoot high, he'll be on his knees as soon as the puck is within the faceoff dots."

If I remember correctly, that's usually a sign of not being used to the speed of the game, as well as a bit of nerves. Which isn't surprising, considering he's being given one game to show what's he got. For an 18/19 year-old goalie, that's a tough ask. I think this season, along with next year's camp, will be more telling than this year.

 

[jaster]

If I remember correctly, that's usually a sign of not being used to the speed of the game, as well as a bit of nerves. Which isn't surprising, considering he's being given one game to show what's he got. For an 18/19 year-old goalie, that's a tough ask. I think this season, along with next year's camp, will be more telling than this year.

Agreed. I'm far from worried about the kid. Hopefully he puts together another strong season in juniors. The real test for me will be when he goes pro and handles that jump. In the meantime, camps like this are certainly a valuable experience.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Well I for one am glad that we have our noted board goalie scout here to tell us how much Sebastian Cossa still has to learn.

And Jaster, I would attribute the quick drops as him being very anxious to not make a huge mistake at the very first prospect camp. That's not how he plays when he's in Edmonton, right?

 

[jaster]

Well I for one am glad that we have our noted board goalie scout here to tell us how much Sebastian Cossa still has to learn.

And Jaster, I would attribute the quick drops as him being very anxious to not make a huge mistake at the very first prospect camp. That's not how he plays when he's in Edmonton, right?

Anxious, nerves, first competitive hockey in a while. All legit. As I said, I ain't worried. Just something I noticed. And I honestly don't know how he plays in Edmonton. Other than highlights, I've never watched him until last night. I'd be pretty surprised if going down that quick was a regular facet of his game.

 

[Bench]

Well I for one am glad that we have our noted board goalie scout here to tell us how much Sebastian Cossa still has to learn.

He needs to fill out and get wider.

 

[Bench]

Anxious, nerves, first competitive hockey in a while. All legit. As I said, I ain't worried. Just something I noticed. And I honestly don't know how he plays in Edmonton. Other than highlights, I've never watched him until last night. I'd be pretty surprised if going down that quick was a regular facet of his game.

He's actually pretty aggressive to the shooter for a guy of his size and doesn't play on his knees in the back of the net, as many of the big boys that don't progress to the NHL like to do (because it's so damn good at lower levels).

 

[WF19]

He needs to fill out and get wider.

Jesus Jimmy that's one hell of a boiler.

 

[MBH]

Well I for one am glad that we have our noted board goalie scout here to tell us how much Sebastian Cossa still has to learn.

And Jaster, I would attribute the quick drops as him being very anxious to not make a huge mistake at the very first prospect camp. That's not how he plays when he's in Edmonton, right?

Man, I thought, why so defensive.... and then

 

[Retire91]

Probably just nerves and being plucked out of a routine to play in a tourney. I wouldn't read much into it wihtout a larger sample size. Like most of us I would have liked better news but its a one off tournoment playing away from home with a bunsh of strangers. Not everyone thrives in that situation.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

meh