Congrats to Sam Ventura

[Darth Vitale]

If you need analytics to recognize that Despres for Lovejoy is a bad idea I don't know what to say.

Haha. This pretty much should've ended the thread. Numbers and equations don't mean **** if you don't know how to use them properly. Maybe some of that trade was on data that Karmanos passed down to Guerin and Company, and this a nice way of the organization saying "Jason everyone makes mistakes but going forward you're going to oversee the analytics team rather than do the analytics yourself."

Still I am not sold on its value. For hockey it seems like a gimmick. For baseball it makes more sense because it's more of an individual sport; heavily based in statistics and the players actions can be analyzed in isolation. Plus every time I hear the word analytics this pops into my head.

"... grab the reins man, do some analytics!"

 

[Coastal Kev]

Sam Ventura, Pet Detective

Great signing. Hope we see more smart moves like this one.

Can you offer up any evidence this is a great signing? The guy creates stats to support his opinion. Not impressed.

 

[Asuna]

Can you offer up any evidence this is a great signing? The guy creates stats to support his opinion. Not impressed.

That's one hell of an opinion lol

 

[Coastal Kev]

That's one hell of an opinion lol

Thank you. As Confucius once said " The superior man.... Does not set his mind either for anything or against anything; what is right he will follow.

 

[Shady Machine]

Can you offer up any evidence this is a great signing? The guy creates stats to support his opinion. Not impressed.

No he compiles stats and then does analysis to help form an opinion.

 

[Asuna]

Thank you. As Confucius once said " The superior man.... Does not set his mind either for anything or against anything; what is right he will follow.

Another good quote is, people are afraid of what they don't understand

 

[Coastal Kev]

No he compiles stats and then does analysis to help form an opinion.

I get that. I think it's funny though that some think their is a magic formula to understanding what they are watching.

Still I believe there are too many factors beyond a player's stats to formulate an opinion with analytics.

I don't need stats to tell me a guy is marshmallow soft, ie Sutter. I will admit though it's harder than ever to determine who is good on a consistent basis. Between the coaching and over sized goalies in today's game, things seem a lot more random than they used to. Beautiful snipes are stopped regularly and ugly shots off their mark get deflected and go in.

 

[Uemoda]

Thank you. As Confucius once said " The superior man.... Does not set his mind either for anything or against anything; what is right he will follow.

Read a lot of Confucius?

 

[Uemoda]

I get that. I think it's funny though that some think their is a magic formula to understanding what they are watching.

Still I believe there are too many factors beyond a player's stats to formulate an opinion with analytics.

I don't need stats to tell me a guy is marshmallow soft, ie Sutter. I will admit though it's harder than ever to determine who is good on a consistent basis. Between the coaching and over sized goalies in today's game, things seem a lot more random than they used to. Beautiful snipes are stopped regularly and ugly shots off their mark get deflected and go in.

I disagree.

Basic information as to a player's overall worth to a team can be reasonably derived from advanced possession stats.

For once, I'm glad we're trying to employ people who understand this. One look at Corsi and Fenwick, and Glass/Adams/Scuderi would never have had the leashes that they enjoyed for so long. It may not be the be-all, end-all, but I've never seen it claimed that it was.


It's simply a tool for our front office to use. One that can combat entrenched veterans who are playing terribly. To me, that's a good thing.

 

[mpp9]

The Avs are pretty well known to be not using analytics. Look at their moves the past couple years.

 

[Ogrezilla]

The Avs are pretty well known to be not using analytics. Look at their moves the past couple years.

glad we are using them, then.

 

[mpp9]

glad we are using them, then.

That team royally ****ed up.