Post-Game Talk: Columbus 5 Devils 4: Same old story edition

[BrodeursCups]

The BBQ pork nachos outside 225 are absolutely awesome. That's about the only thing I eat there anymore. And I love Blue Moon as much as the next guy, but it's hard to justify 9.25 for one...

I'd rather just drink a few at my place and hop on the path train and go to hells...

 

[Lindys Lazy Eye]

What are the options

I'll grab one on Saturday. The "Carvery" brisket sandwiches always intrigue me but I'm skeptical. 13.50 a sandwich?

I haven't had the brisket but I think the Pastrami is bangin. It's prob overpriced 3 or so dollars but it's a mighty tasty sandwich.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

The new Pastrami is nasty, tick and chewy. The old ones made by Hobby's were amazing.

We need more food choices at the Rock. Barclays did it right.

 

[Chessarmy]

As I pointed out in the other thread, Marty has not been the same since he almost had his head taken off in San Jose. I just now remembered this. You gotta wonder if this has had some kind of bearing on how poorly he's played since that game.

He just had an awesome game against the Rags.

Last night was the result of terrible defensive play specifically Merill/Gelinas. Can't wait to get Salvador back...

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Marty was far from awesome against the Rangers.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Marty was far from awesome against the Rangers.

the pass to Sestito alone was awesome.

 

[Bleedred]

The Rangers game might have been one of his better games in the last 5. He did let out a really hideous rebound on goal 2 though, but that pass on goal 1 for us was worth it. Probably would have ended the game with only 2 goals against, if not for that stupid DOG penalty.

He really hasn't looked the same since San Jose. His play has gone downhill, and it coincides with that incident where he looked like he was hurt against San Jose.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

He just had an awesome game against the Rags.

Last night was the result of terrible defensive play specifically Merill/Gelinas. Can't wait to get Salvador back...

Really? I want get rid of Sal and keep the kids.

 

[Bleedred]

Merrill should probably go back to the AHL. Gelinas BETTER be here to stay. I really don't care if Volchenkov or Harrold have to be benched. He provides much more than them. Has one of the highest PPG's on the team too. We lose A LOT of offense if Gelinas goes, and our PP will probably be the worst in the league.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Salvador was playing well before he got hurt. not sure why everyone thinks any differently.

 

[njdevils1982]

Merrill should probably go back to the AHL. Gelinas BETTER be here to stay. I really don't care if Volchenkov or Harrold have to be benched. He provides much more than them. Has one of the highest PPG's on the team too. We lose A LOT of offense if Gelinas goes, and our PP will probably be the worst in the league.

gelly has made his stamp, he's not going anywhere. its not just devils fans that see it.

if indeed he is back in the A (due to BS reasons) then **** it all. i wouldnt even know what goes through the management and coaches minds. .....and were already questioning **** to begin with.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Gelinas isn't going anywhere. you can hate Lou and Pete but I don't even think they are that dumb.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Merrill should probably go back to the AHL. Gelinas BETTER be here to stay. I really don't care if Volchenkov or Harrold have to be benched. He provides much more than them. Has one of the highest PPG's on the team too. We lose A LOT of offense if Gelinas goes, and our PP will probably be the worst in the league.

Isn't he averaging like 1 assist per game? Me likey

 

[tr83]

gelly has made his stamp, he's not going anywhere. its not just devils fans that see it.

if indeed he is back in the A (due to BS reasons) then **** it all. i wouldnt even know what goes through the management and coaches minds. .....and were already questioning **** to begin with.

If he goes to the minors, I'll quit watching. I mean that. It'll be obvious that they don't care about winning.

 

[Bleedred]

I don't know, I'm a little worried by Petey's fascination with his son Petey Jr. I really don't think Gelly goes anywhere though.

I can see us waiving someone like Tedenby and using 8 defensemen if worst comes to worse. Really don't wanna see that again.

Can't wait to see what Fayne says about DeBoer next year.

 

[BahlDeep]

It's a direct result of Pete's heavy forecheck puck possession system. We don't need guys constantly pinching and getting burned, especially when we're leading.

Blowing leads isn't anything new for Pete. It's followed him from Florida to here. With Pete we've always blown leads whether it be this year, last year and in the playoffs, it doesn't matter what team or what players he's had, it's a by-product of his system.

Wrong. I doubt that Pete tell his defensemen to pinch when we have a lead when no one is behind them to cover them.

 

[glenwo2]

So everyone is at fault here.


Pete is at fault.

Devils Players are at fault.

The Refs are at fault(I saw Jagr get hooked late as the Devils went with the empty net but it wasn't called).

WE are at fault.



Add them all up and we get :




Kaoss Fault.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Wrong. I doubt that Pete tell his defensemen to pinch when we have a lead when no one is behind them to cover them.

If the players keep doing things that the coach is telling them not to do, or numerous players consistently under perform, yes that is on the coach.

You can always use the excuse that the players don't execute. Maybe it's possible Maclean was a good coach and the players simply failed to execute his system? Doesn't matter because at the end of the day it's the coaches responsibility to make sure he has a system that works AND that it gets executed properly on the ice. And if one of those two things aren't working, or if many players on your team are all displaying the same weakness (in our case offense and an inability to hold a lead) then it's the coaches job to figure out how to fix it (whether that's through a system tweak, or one on one teaching, strategy adjustments, etc.).

Seriously this is not a team full of AHL scrubs. Perhaps there's not a whole lot of offensive star quality, but our D shouldn't have issues keeping a 2 goal lead on a consistent basis. How can that not be on the coach?

 

[SeidoN]

Add them all up and we get :

Kaoss Fault.

I resent this. If anything I am the solution

 

[Devils Trap]

I resent this. If anything I am the solution

Nope , your fault

 

[BahlDeep]

If the players keep doing things that the coach is telling them not to do, or numerous players consistently under perform, yes that is on the coach.

You can always use the excuse that the players don't execute. Maybe it's possible Maclean was a good coach and the players simply failed to execute his system? Doesn't matter because at the end of the day it's the coaches responsibility to make sure he has a system that works AND that it gets executed properly on the ice. And if one of those two things aren't working, or if many players on your team are all displaying the same weakness (in our case offense and an inability to hold a lead) then it's the coaches job to figure out how to fix it (whether that's through a system tweak, or one on one teaching, strategy adjustments, etc.).

Seriously this is not a team full of AHL scrubs. Perhaps there's not a whole lot of offensive star quality, but our D shouldn't have issues keeping a 2 goal lead on a consistent basis. How can that not be on the coach?

The pinch was made by a rookie, rookies make mistakes, even if the coach tell them not to do something , they might just do it, they are rookies after all and I only hope that they build on their mistakes, and that will help them get better

 

[Richer's Ghost]

If the players keep doing things that the coach is telling them not to do, or numerous players consistently under perform, yes that is on the coach.

You can always use the excuse that the players don't execute. Maybe it's possible Maclean was a good coach and the players simply failed to execute his system? Doesn't matter because at the end of the day it's the coaches responsibility to make sure he has a system that works AND that it gets executed properly on the ice. And if one of those two things aren't working, or if many players on your team are all displaying the same weakness (in our case offense and an inability to hold a lead) then it's the coaches job to figure out how to fix it (whether that's through a system tweak, or one on one teaching, strategy adjustments, etc.).

Seriously this is not a team full of AHL scrubs. Perhaps there's not a whole lot of offensive star quality, but our D shouldn't have issues keeping a 2 goal lead on a consistent basis. How can that not be on the coach?

Except the players admitted in interviews they had no idea what system they were running when he coached and often had no idea where they were supposed to be playing in their own zone. That came from a veteran in an interview too. I think it was Tallinder but not sure.

 

[PercivalGraves]

Travis Zajac is a solid player who is grossly overpaid. He plays all 3 zones, blah blah blah. He is on pace for another 30 point season, low 30's actually. That's what nearly 6 mil gets you? Not his fault for taking hte money. That was a terrible Lou decision.

The terrible PDB decision is everytime Cory has a bad game he goes back to Brodeur. Marty shouldn't have as many starts as he has. If he wants to get this team into the playoffs, he has to let Cory go like 6-7 games in a row. Let him get going.

I don't blame Marty for the loss but since Cory is in his prime he will eventually force Marty out as the no.1 goaltender .

 

[Camille the Eel]

I only hope that they build on their mistakes, and that will help them get better

The one thing people who've worked with Bill Belichek always say is that mistakes don't drive him crazy per se - what he won't tolerate is repeating mistakes. He'll tolerate an aggressive mistake but expects you to learn from it and not do it again. That's coaching.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

The one thing people who've worked with Bill Belichek always say is that mistakes don't drive him crazy per se - what he won't tolerate is repeating mistakes. He'll tolerate an aggressive mistake but expects you to learn from it and not do it again. That's coaching.

What do you call benching a young player for a mistake and allowing older players to repeatedly make the same mistakes without repercussions?