Proposal: COL/ARI - Large Trade

[rt]

To ARI
Johansen
Byram
Prosvetov

To COL
Schmaltz
Soderstrom
Vejmelka

Feel free to flame.

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[andora]

To ARI
Johansen
Byram
Prosvetov

To COL
Schmaltz
Soderstrom
Vejmelka

Feel free to flame.

The fact that i instantly said yes as a colorado fan suggests it may need tweaking

I realize byram is the piece but that package from arizona creates some flexibility player wise moving forward

Of course i have always loved soderstrom style and skill and some may say with girard and now malinski he may be redundant but .. i would pull it as colorado

 

[rt]

The fact that i instantly said yes as a colorado fan suggests it may need tweaking

I realize byram is the piece but that package from arizona creates some flexibility player wise moving forward

Of course i have always loved soderstrom style and skill and some may say with girard and now malinski he may be redundant but .. i would pull it as colorado

Goal is to get worse for the rest of this season, get a better pick, and pick up a possible foundational piece for the blueline in Byram. I know a lot has to go right for Byram to become that but it’s a gamble I think makes sense e

 

[andora]

Goal is to get worse for the rest of this season, get a better pick, and pick up a possible foundational piece for the blueline in Byram. I know a lot has to go right for Byram to become that but it’s a gamble I think makes sense e

Yeah fair enough i get it. I hope byram elevates too.. fun to watch

 

[Kaibur]

Take out Soderstrom and swap for a '24 or '25 2nd? (COL doesn't have a 2nd in either draft)

 

[rt]

Take out Soderstrom and swap for a '24 or '25 2nd? (COL doesn't have a 2nd in either draft)

Fine with me. My thought was Byram comes in and Dermott goes down. Tucson doesn’t lose anything.

Would be nice to have Soderstrom for when we trade Dumba for a 3rd. Which to some degree mitigates the 2nd you’re adding here.

 

[rt]

12-2 is a bit lopsided. Ideas for how to fix it?

Does swapping Soderstrom for a 2nd make it more even?

 

[Bender]

To ARI
Johansen
Byram
Prosvetov

To COL
Schmaltz
Soderstrom
Vejmelka

Feel free to flame.

It's actually a pretty good trade for both sides so kudos to you.

I guess my only question would be does Schmaltz play center or is he mostly a winger ? Where has he played primarily this season/last season ?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Not so much "winning" but it doesnt really address Colorado's main issue.

 

[rt]

It's actually a pretty good trade for both sides so kudos to you.

I guess my only question would be does Schmaltz play center or is he mostly a winger ? Where has he played primarily this season/last season ?

Schmaltz has played winger under Tourigny. But that’s philosophical. He has many of the things you want in a C and many of the things you don’t. Strength of surrounding cast is a factor.

 

[The Abusement Park]

In a vacuum I think the values fine. But I personally wouldn’t do it as I don’t really think Schmaltz is the 2C(or a C at all) that fills that hole. And I’d only move Byram for a 2C even if Vej would be a great add in net.

 

[McJedi]

Not so much "winning" but it doesnt really address Colorado's main issue.

Depends on if the Avs think he can be a 2C, which is very obviously their biggest need.

Our pro scouts are good but they whiffed huge on the bad fit with RyJo as 2C. He’s too slow.

So suddenly their judgement is called into question.

If he’s just another winger… agree this deal makes no sense for the Avs. Avs have zero need for more wingers. They need a 2C and a 4C.

 

[Kaibur]

COL is clearly looking for a 2C - that's not Schmaltz; that's Kerfoot.

Would COL be interested in a deal with Kerfoot + Vejmelka instead?

 

[Hasbro]

If you want to have some fun, include Crouse in a proposal and watch how HFAvs reacts.

 

[AslanRH]

COL is clearly looking for a 2C - that's not Schmaltz; that's Kerfoot.

Would COL be interested in a deal with Kerfoot + Vejmelka instead?

 

[The Abusement Park]

COL is clearly looking for a 2C - that's not Schmaltz; that's Kerfoot.

Would COL be interested in a deal with Kerfoot + Vejmelka instead?

Nah… we’ve been through that already.

 

[Linds]

COL is clearly looking for a 2C - that's not Schmaltz; that's Kerfoot.

Would COL be interested in a deal with Kerfoot + Vejmelka instead?

Kerfoot is trash

 

[AslanRH]

Honestly would call this slightly to the Avs favor.
Think if Schmaltz is surrounded by our wingers, he can serve just fine as a center. (much like JTC has done)
Would open an opportunity of flipping one of Manson/Malinsky/Soderstrom in the offseason if needed.

 

[PAZ]

Schmaltz has played winger under Tourigny. But that’s philosophical. He has many of the things you want in a C and many of the things you don’t. Strength of surrounding cast is a factor.

Is it something with Tourigny's system where he isn't a fit to be C? On one hand I agree with your assessment, but I also question if he can be an effective center considering McBain and Bjugstad are better options for Arizona.

 

[finkelsteinberg]

Kerfoot is trash

He's been pretty good on the Yotes and I think most fans wouldn't want to see him go tbh.

 

[Hasbro]

COL is clearly looking for a 2C - that's not Schmaltz; that's Kerfoot.

 

[rt]

Is it something with Tourigny's system where he isn't a fit to be C? On one hand I agree with your assessment, but I also question if he can be an effective center considering McBain and Bjugstad are better options for Arizona.

I can’t say for sure. It’s been like this his whole career. Is he a C or a W? I think he plays like a C in the O Zone and the neutral zone. And he plays like a W in the D Zone (a Beer league W). So it’s about what you can tolerate. Surrounding cast is a big part of it.

For a while, they had Dvorak taking draws for him and doing the in-zone D defensive work, then when the puck went North they’d switch. That’s what Tocchet seemed to like and it worked pretty good.

 

[Djp]

The OP offer in a vacuum is close.

issues are LD v RD
C vs W
Would this cause AZ to miss the playoffs?

 

[rt]

I’ll add that I’d be very curious to see how Schmaltz would respond to the Culture in Colorado. That MacKinnon drill sergeant mentality. I wonder if we’d see him evolve a bit. Expectations in Arizona have never been like that.

The OP offer in a vacuum is close.

issues are LD v RD
C vs W
Would this cause AZ to miss the playoffs?

AZ is already gonna miss the playoffs. This trade is designed to make AZ worse this season, but bring in a long term piece in Byram.

 

[CDN24]

Take out Soderstrom and swap for a '24 or '25 2nd? (COL doesn't have a 2nd in either draft)

And Arizona won't even notice losing one, they have 7. 3 (Az, FLA, Wash) in this draft and 4 (Az, Tor, Edm, NYR) in 2025