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Cody Franson, what to do?
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Franson's poor footspeed was exposed a few times by the Ducks last night...more so than on most nights. But on the other hand, Franson showed how his size and physicality is necessary against teams with size that cycle. He was very good at winning puck battles or at the minimum pinning the big Anaheim forwards against the boards. Plus something not normally mentioned about Franson, he plays physical without taking many penalties, so he doesn't cost his team by putting them on the PK often.
6' 5`point producing defenceman who can play a physical game are hard to find and a huge benefit in the tighter checking playoff time. I am not a fan of giving him over $5mil per, but as I have said many times...the Leafs will miss Franson more than many believe if he leaves or gets moved. Leaf management screwed this one up huge.
6' 5`point producing defenceman who can play a physical game are hard to find and a huge benefit in the tighter checking playoff time. I am not a fan of giving him over $5mil per, but as I have said many times...the Leafs will miss Franson more than many believe if he leaves or gets moved. Leaf management screwed this one up huge.
AustonMitchWilly
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Regardless of what I think or don't think of franson , imo he likey gets at least 5-5.5m given how guys like orpik and nisskanen got similar contracts last offseason. You say you don't fee comfortable giving him that term? Then really there's no choice but to move him at the deadline because if the leafs don't pay him what he wants in the off season then some other team will sign him and then we lose him for nothing.
Like I said if it were me, I'd deal him.
I agree... Imo franson prior to this season has really not shown he's worthy of a long term deal, and even then it's only 1/3 into the season I wouldn't exactly be ushering out the pen and paper to ink him long term just yet,.. Cody still needs to prove himself over the rest of this season.
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Franson's going to be one of the better right handed defensemen available on the market this offseason (given his play this season, and the season before last - last season was rough).
We should probably keep him, since we don't have many other options on the back end.
Hopefully Cody takes it easy on us Leafers. The Leafs probably don't deserve any breaks from him for making him dance for his lunch every year, but still....have mercy!
We should probably keep him, since we don't have many other options on the back end.
Hopefully Cody takes it easy on us Leafers. The Leafs probably don't deserve any breaks from him for making him dance for his lunch every year, but still....have mercy!
And Gardiner had proven it? Gardiner has been more inconsistent than Franson. Franson was solid in 11-12, very good in 12-13 and very good in the 12-13 playoffs. Do we forget that Gardiner only got in during the playoffs because Fraser was injured.
Gunnar was poor in the playoffs and got 3 years at $3.1...Franson got one year at $2mil after the same season he was very good in.
Last year Gardiner was not very good until the last 20 games and was still rewarded with a 5 year $20 mil contract, then they also gave Robidas 3 years at $3 per and then tried to trade Cody even though he lead the Leafs D in points again and picked up his physical play.
The Leafs have continued to pay and commit to others with no commitment to Franson. Would you rather have Franson at 5years $20 mil or Gardiner?...because Franson would have likely signed that deal as well...I would have taken Franson then, I would have taken him now. So imo, the Leafs screwed up with how they managed their D and now they will have to make a decision they should never have had to make.
If it's the right move...how can it backfire? Isn't it usually, the wrong move backfires?
Nice deflection but gardiner and his contract have nothing to do with franson and his... Your trying to sway things to work it to your advantage, sorry but it's not working. I'll answer your question and statement though! Personally, I feel gardiner has been incredibly inconsistent as a leaf with several moments of brilliance and dominance followed up by long stretches of weak playa and brain farts, however he's only 24 and he still has time on his side to get things together. As for who I would rather have? Simple it's gardiner and here's why... For starters gardiner is still young and has room for upgrades where as franson is 28 and in his prime, these are his best years, if you give him a 7 year contract it puts him into his mid 30's... Not exactly the smartest move imo.
Logical and right are two different things though. I would disagree with it being the logical moves either though.
Deflection? I was stating opinion on Gardiner's consistency (which you agreed with btw)and how he still got a long term deal in response to you saying Franson had not been worthy enough to earn a long term deal yet. Very relevant argument to what you claimed. Fact is now a deflection? ok.
Also, talk about swaying things to act in your own favour... Franson just turned 27 not 28, he is only 3 years older than Jake and 3 seasons ago, imo was more consistent than Jake is now. I also never asked would you give Franson 7 years, I asked who would you rather have...Jake or Cody at 5 years $20 mil? Simple question you deflected to saying 7 years to Cody is a bad idea. Franson would be 31 still when the above contract ended(not mid 30's) making $4mil per season...I would take that any day over Jake, then and now. You pretty much know what you will get from Cody for 5 more years, where I have no idea if Jake will ever "get it". You would rather have Jake, that's fine, but let's not change facts to support an opinion.
Curious though, what are Jakes upgrades we can expect? Is he going to get bigger and stronger? Is he going to develop hockey sense? Is he going to instantly be able to handle big forwards down low? Is he going to get more physical? Is he finally going to put up the points at least that I keep hearing about? Go ahead and keep Jake though, maybe we can get MDZ(same things said about him) to partner with Jake...he has similar skill set, is still young, and room to grow as well. Soft players tend to always be soft players and the NHL is not getting smaller and softer every year.
Sorry, changing Franson's age, claiming he will be mid 30's even in 7 years(33) never mind 5 years from now and adding 2 extra years term to the question I asked isn't working to move things in your favour
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Sign him or trade him they really don't have much choice because next year you gotta think he's going to command at least 5.
What to do? the same thing they should do with the entire team trade everyone you can at the trade deadline for as much as you can get. The Leafs as they are now are going nowhere, sure they rip off a few winning streaks but none of these players have a spine! they all SUCK!!
With the cap going up again next year hes going to be asking for 5.5(or more) and 5+ years. I don't think we have any other option than to trade him; I just don't think hes anything more than an average 2nd pairing d-man/PP specialist.
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But we have nobody to replace him at the moment.
Unless the Leafs have tanked the standings by the deadline and are in firesale mode, don't be surprised if the team giving him the 5X5.5 is the Leafs.
Franson, Lupul, and Ashton for Campbell, Flash or Boyes, Howden and Petrovic
Florida can resign Franson around 5 and still save 2 mill on Campbell
sets up their right side nicely with Ekblad, Franson, Gudbransson
Leafs take on Campbell's contract for a couple years but add two future pieces and in short term a big minute dman and clear Lupul's contract to resign Kadri and Bernier
Florida can resign Franson around 5 and still save 2 mill on Campbell
sets up their right side nicely with Ekblad, Franson, Gudbransson
Leafs take on Campbell's contract for a couple years but add two future pieces and in short term a big minute dman and clear Lupul's contract to resign Kadri and Bernier
Rielly could very well be ready for the 1st unit by next year, depending on how is development continues.
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How do you know this? I mean he hasn't even been out there for any amount of time on the top pairing for anyone to judge how poorly or solid he is... again this is just your opinion, not fact.
