Coaching Change making an impact?

[Nac Mac Feegle]

It was said on his way out that he had "lost the room". So, if you're counting, that's Paddock, Hartsburg, Clouston, and Maclean that have all "lost the room" according to GM Murray.

Countdown to Cameron losing the room is t-minus 2 years at most.

That's what worries me. Cameron isn't a new voice. He's already been part of the room long enough that perhaps the guys will tune him out much faster than normal.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

It was said on his way out that he had "lost the room". So, if you're counting, that's Paddock, Hartsburg, Clouston, and Maclean that have all "lost the room" according to GM Murray.

Countdown to Cameron losing the room is t-minus 2 years at most.

Isn't this said about every coach that gets fired from any team?
Seems like almost a cliche thing that just gets thrown out

 

[Push540]

Isn't this said about every coach that gets fired from any team?
Seems like almost a cliche thing that just gets thrown out

What about an awful team that has a decent coach {proven win record, lots of experience etc.} and doesn't lose the room? Does the coach still stay there?

 

[costermonger]

I think its safe to say Hartsburg was Murray's worst hire

I remember people around here saying they wanted to "fall asleep to Sens wins" in reference to the terrible defense we were playing in the Paddock year.

Then we hired Hartsburg.

Wasn't pretty.

As for Clouston, it's pretty clear now he's the kind of hard-ass disciplinarian who would've been at home in the NHL 20 years ago, but those guys don't work anymore. See: his career since the Sens.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Carlyle fired, and here's the first thing I see on TSN:

Mirtle: There was disconnect between Carlyle and players

James Mirtle of the Globe & Mail and TSN Hockey Analytics joined the show to discuss the reasons behind the Randy Carlyle firing.


Another lost room!

 

[Push540]

Carlyle fired, and here's the first thing I see on TSN:

Mirtle: There was disconnect between Carlyle and players

James Mirtle of the Globe & Mail and TSN Hockey Analytics joined the show to discuss the reasons behind the Randy Carlyle firing.


Another lost room!

It seems like the go to reason.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I like How Cameron conducts interviews, just gives simple cliche answers. Gord Wilson gets so befuddled.

 

[aragorn]

Carlyle fired, and here's the first thing I see on TSN:

Mirtle: There was disconnect between Carlyle and players

James Mirtle of the Globe & Mail and TSN Hockey Analytics joined the show to discuss the reasons behind the Randy Carlyle firing.


Another lost room!

I think that is code for the millionaires didn't like being yelled at any more by someone who earns less than them & doesn't respect their need to live comfortably & float around the ice. They know they cannot fire all the players so if they stop playing hard for this guy management will eventually get another guy, potentially someone who is nicer & understands them better & gives them more space. It's easier & cheaper to get another coach. NEXT PLEASE!

 

[Push540]

the millionaires didn't like being yelled at any more by someone who earns less than them & doesn't respect their need to live comfortably & float around the ice. so if they stop playing hard for this guy management will eventually get someone who is nicer & understands them better & gives them more space.

I shortened the quote. So players will stop trying, for months on end to get a new coach? I've never heard of this on the sports shows or during a game.

 

[aragorn]

I shortened the quote. So players will stop trying, for months on end to get a new coach? I've never heard of this on the sports shows or during a game.

I made it up because I'm not a millionaire & don't like spoiled players. I'm so ashamed.

 

[Push540]

I made it up because I'm not a millionaire & don't like spoiled players. I'm so ashamed.

I wasn't mocking you, I was asking. Do entire rosters take a dive for months? I have never heard of that and never thought of it before. Your sarcasm makes it hard to know if you're serious about it. Are there any examples that are common knowledge?

 

[aragorn]

I wasn't mocking you, I was asking. Do entire rosters take a dive for months? I have never heard of that and never thought of it before. Your sarcasm makes it hard to know if you're serious about it. Are there any examples that are common knowledge?

No, I don't believe professional athletes would ever purposely tank but I think individuals who are not favoured by coaches or picked on too much can get turned off by a certain coach. I would imagine there have been & are a few coaches around that just yell at some players too often & some players are more effected by that. I'm sure you have heard that some players need a kick in the ass while others need to be coddled, Spezza comes to mind as a player who may have needed to be more coddled than kicked. I do wonder sometimes though if there are players who have gotten too comfortable with their life style & maybe not as committed to winning a cup as they were when they entered the league (young families, other businesses, history of losing). There are so many variables that go into winning a cup & players can't control everything.

 

[pepty]

I like How Cameron conducts interviews, just gives simple cliche answers. Gord Wilson gets so befuddled.

Yes they're knocking themselves out trying to make Cameron seem interesting.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Well, no denying the powerplay hasn't gotten better under Cameron.

In fact, it's primarily why we're losing games our making games closer than they need to be.

 

[BonkTastic]

Carlyle fired, and here's the first thing I see on TSN:

Mirtle: There was disconnect between Carlyle and players

James Mirtle of the Globe & Mail and TSN Hockey Analytics joined the show to discuss the reasons behind the Randy Carlyle firing.


Another lost room!

In fairness, Carlyle is just a terrible coach. They could have given numerous excuses to fire him, and they all would have been valid.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Wrong thread

 

[BonkTastic]

Well, no denying the powerplay hasn't gotten better under Cameron.

In fact, it's primarily why we're losing games our making games closer than they need to be.

Once thing I noticed in the Lightning game was they have moved Zibanejad to the right half wall on the PP (replacing Legwand), and he was abjectly terrible at it.

Like, not even a little terrible. A whole heap of terrible... and that's not even a criticism against Zibby - he's just not at all suited for that role. Wrong handedness, no experience, not the right skill set, etc...

I actually missed Legwand on the half board. That's how bad Zibs was in that spot.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Carlyle fired, and here's the first thing I see on TSN:

Mirtle: There was disconnect between Carlyle and players

James Mirtle of the Globe & Mail and TSN Hockey Analytics joined the show to discuss the reasons behind the Randy Carlyle firing.


Another lost room!

Maybe Ontario is the Bermuda Triangle of dressing rooms.

 

[Tundraman]

Cameron had the guts to sit Phillips to play Wiercioch but it's hard to give him too much credit or find fault for any other line changes given that he lost Smith, Neil then more recently Boro to injury also Lazar to the WJ. I'd like to see what he does differently, who he plays, who he sits and the makeup of the lines when he has a full complement. So far the results are very similar to those under MacLean. With many new players, sophomores, rookies and the eventual return of Methot, I expected this team to get better in the 2nd half of the season so we will see what happens from now on. IMO that would / should happen old coach or new coach.

He sounded "controlled irritated" and short in his one on one pregame interview today. Almost like he's suspicious or resents the questions. He was attempting humour and pleasant and very open in his 1st few meet-the-press interviews. Is the honeymoon over? Maybe the pressure or his true character is starting to show through. That seems to happen to a lot of coaches. Just didn't expect it so soon.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Once thing I noticed in the Lightning game was they have moved Zibanejad to the right half wall on the PP (replacing Legwand), and he was abjectly terrible at it.

Like, not even a little terrible. A whole heap of terrible... and that's not even a criticism against Zibby - he's just not at all suited for that role. Wrong handedness, no experience, not the right skill set, etc...

I actually missed Legwand on the half board. That's how bad Zibs was in that spot.

Tonight, Cameron had a PP unit of Turris, Ryan down low, Michalek(?!?!?) on the half boards with Karlsson and Chiasson(?!?!) on the points.

And that's when it hit me that Cameron is just throwing doodoo at the walls.

 

[BonkTastic]

Tonight, Cameron had a PP unit of Turris, Ryan down low, Michalek(?!?!?) on the half boards with Karlsson and Chiasson(?!?!) on the points.

And that's when it hit me that Cameron is just throwing doodoo at the walls.

I didn't get to watch the game tonight, my son had an allergy thing so I was kind of occupied with that, but yeah - that's been my impression of our PP over the past few weeks.

I am not a Cameron fan by any means, but in fairness to him it's not like he got time in training camp to sort this stuff out before hand. Still though... Michalek doesn't seem like the kind of guy you'd want there. Was he bad at it? He's more of a shooter than a disher. In fact, he's not a very good playmaker at all, he's always been a finisher on almost any line he's ever been on.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

I didn't get to watch the game tonight, my son had an allergy thing so I was kind of occupied with that, but yeah - that's been my impression of our PP over the past few weeks.

I am not a Cameron fan by any means, but in fairness to him it's not like he got time in training camp to sort this stuff out before hand. Still though... Michalek doesn't seem like the kind of guy you'd want there. Was he bad at it? He's more of a shooter than a disher. In fact, he's not a very good playmaker at all, he's always been a finisher on almost any line he's ever been on.

It went as well as you'd think it would go with Milan's hands.

Cameron inexplicably benched Stone at that point, someone who clearly would be better in that role.

I am not a Cameron fan.

 

[God Says No]

We need skill on the forwards. Too many guys with stone hands who can't even take a pass. Greening, Michalek, Condra...

I would kill for another LW with skill to replace one of Michalek or Greening.

 

[BonkTastic]

It went as well as you'd think it would go with Milan's hands.

I will say this about Michalek: he's still one of the best PK guys in the league at cutting neutral space down to almost nothing on an opponent's power play.

The way he covers pretty much 2/3rds of the entire zone as the other team is trying to break out is beautiful. Seriously, watch any PK he's on when the other team skates the puck out of their own end. I know a lot of people are down on him, and I know he's clearly not earning his full contract right now, but he's far from the useless bum that some people like to exaggerate about. Even at $2.5mil, he'd be roughly earning his paycheque, IMO. He's not showing up on the scoresheet for sure, and we're definitely missing out on some offensive production we thought we'd be getting from him, but he definitely has a role on this team even through his slump.

 

[God Says No]

I will say this about Michalek: he's still one of the best PK guys in the league at cutting neutral space down to almost nothing on an opponent's power play.

The way he covers pretty much 2/3rds of the entire zone as the other team is trying to break out is beautiful. Seriously, watch any PK he's on when the other team skates the puck out of their own end. I know a lot of people are down on him, and I know he's clearly not earning his full contract right now, but he's far from the useless bum that some people like to exaggerate about. Even at $2.5mil, he'd be roughly earning his paycheque, IMO. He's not showing up on the scoresheet for sure, and we're definitely missing out on some offensive production we thought we'd be getting from him, but he definitely has a role on this team even through his slump.

Sure, but we can't have basically 2 PK specialists in the lineup. The bottom six is devoid of any offense with Michalek, Greening, Legwand and Condra all playing there. We need at most 2 of them there.