Coaches polled on Norris Trophy (McDonagh in the mix)

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

According to hockey media members who released their ballots early, McDonagh is nowhere near the Norris radar. In fact, he's expected to finish outside the top 10, behind Mark Giordano and Marc-Edouard Vlasic

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1648701

I don't understand

Offense rules the day in Norris voting. Its misguided and unfortunate, but thats the reality.

 

[Jacques Trap*]

Offense rules the day in Norris voting. Its misguided and unfortunate, but thats the reality.

That must be why karlsson was given a grand total of one fifth place vote

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

That must be why karlsson was given a grand total of one fifth place vote

If I had said thats the only factor, maybe you'd have a point.

It must be why he won it a couple years ago - and guys like Mike Green have won it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Offense rules the day in Norris voting. Its misguided and unfortunate, but thats the reality.

That must be why karlsson was given a grand total of one fifth place vote

If I had said thats the only factor, maybe you'd have a point.

It must be why he won it a couple years ago - and guys like Mike Green have won it.

You most definitely implied that it is the single most important factor.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You most definitely implied that it is the single most important factor.

And I still think it is over the last couple of decades.

But if your team stinks and misses the playoffs, that'll play a role too.

 

[Machinehead]

Offense rules the day in Norris voting. Its misguided and unfortunate, but thats the reality.

Vlasic is ahead of McDonagh and literally doesn't have half his points

 

[The Undertaker]

The fact that Girardi finished 6th in the voting for this a few years ago and McD isn't getting any votes now is a sick joke

 

[Chaels Arms]

That list for the Norris is a complete disaster. It's harder to gauge defensemen's value and these sports writers are a pretty lazy group to begin with. Like someone else said, this is just a name recognition contest.

 

[Gardner McKay]

And I still think it is over the last couple of decades.

But if your team stinks and misses the playoffs, that'll play a role too.

So then his response was adequate.

I think it is a crime if he isn't in the top 5 (let alone missing out on the top 10).

 

[YoSoyLalo]

lol Vlasic.

Just goes to show how out to lunch some of these writers are.

The fact that the media plays such a big part in handing out awards is a tragedy, and why they should be taken with a grain of salt.

As long as McDonagh keeps being special for this team, I could give two ****s about him winning the Norris.

 

[Levitate]

Vlasic's pretty underrated and a great defenseman but yeah that's some extreme homer votes getting him mentioned at all

 

[Jacques Trap*]

If I had said thats the only factor, maybe you'd have a point.

It must be why he won it a couple years ago - and guys like Mike Green have won it.

As mentioned by another poster, you seemed to strongly imply that voters look for offense above else which is not the case or Karksson as the best offensive D would have more than one 5th place vote. Subban would also be higher.

Also, when or in what universe did Mike Green win the Norris?

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Just noticed Matt Niskanen has a vote, and McDonagh doesn't.

Rendering the writers' opinions even less valid than they were just three hours ago.

And they were already pretty invalid.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Just noticed Matt Niskanen has a vote, and McDonagh doesn't.

Rendering the writers' opinions even less valid than they were just three hours ago.

And they were already pretty invalid.

Seriously, what the ****?

Guys like Vlasic, sure. Absolutely. They're older, and Vlasic had a hell of a season.

...But Giordano?

 

[Cake or Death]

According to hockey media members who released their ballots early, McDonagh is nowhere near the Norris radar. In fact, he's expected to finish outside the top 10, behind Mark Giordano and Marc-Edouard Vlasic

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1648701

I don't understand

Meanwhile, our playoff opponent's coach is re-wiring his offensive scheme to try to deal with McD. I wouldn't worry too much about meaningless Norris votes

 

[iamitter]

Offense rules the day in Norris voting. Its misguided and unfortunate, but thats the reality.

I wouldn't exactly call Vlasic an offensive dynamo.

 

[Fanned On It]

Honestly I don't give a F what these writers think. I consider the coach's opinions much more relevant.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Seriously, what the ****?

Guys like Vlasic, sure. Absolutely. They're older, and Vlasic had a hell of a season.

...But Giordano?

Um, Giordano is one of the few defencemen that has an argument of having a better season than McDonagh.

I agree that the voting is preposterous, but bringing up Giordano as the example of that is just wrong IMO.

Niskanen, Vlasic, Markov, Kronwall, even Doughty and Chara are better examples of stupid voting than Giordano.

 

[Levitate]

Like I said you get a lot of homer votes from guys who are just like "eh Chara's gonna win it I"m just gonna homer vote for my favorite defenseman on the team I cover" and so you get guys like Niskanen getting Norris votes

 

[Holocene]

How the hell does Chara have so many votes? Pure reputation votes. Should be between Keith and Weber.

 

[Bullseyes]

While I don't think McDonagh should win the Norris, he should be getting votes. He certainly had a better season than some of the players getting votes.

Also, if Chara wins it'll be because of his reputation. He didn't play at the level that Keith or Weber did. He shouldn't be that high in the first place.

 

[Inferno]

1)Chara has a reputation.
2)Charas team won the presidents trophy.
3)Most hockey writers probably watch just the games they are assigned to and none other.

1+2+3= Chara wins Norris.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Um, Giordano is one of the few defencemen that has an argument of having a better season than McDonagh.

I agree that the voting is preposterous, but bringing up Giordano as the example of that is just wrong IMO.

Niskanen, Vlasic, Markov, Kronwall, even Doughty and Chara are better examples of stupid voting than Giordano.

I always mix up Yandle and Giordano for some reason, whoops.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I always mix up Yandle and Giordano for some reason, whoops.

I wasn't picking on you personally. Many others had the same sentiment so I felt Giordano deserved some defending.

 

[Garfinkel1]

I dug up an old article that came out during the trade...

"He is an outstanding playmaker and an excellent skater," Canadiens general manager Bob Gainey said in a statement. "He brings to our team a lot of playoff experience. Scott is an elite player who will certainly contribute to the success of our team for years to come."