Claude Giroux II: Robin's Revenge

[Tripod]

I saw him doing one legged box jumps on internet so hopefully he has really good offseason.

Link....or it didn't happen

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Link....or it didn't happen

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXjQgPiB3aW/?taken-by=tonygrecotg

 

[Appleyard]

With his great start to the year, 400th assist and him closing in on 600 NHL points thought this was pretty cool:



Also insane how good the top four guys are... all 'generational' really.

 

[Rebels57]

Wonder where G would be if he had been passing to Ovechkin all these years like Backstrom has

 

[Striiker]

Wonder where G would be if he had been passing to Ovechkin all these years like Backstrom has

Well Giroux gets to play with elite goal scorer Voracek, so it's basically the same as Ovi.

 

[Appleyard]

Looked up this earlier today as well...



Pretty good company amongst that top 13!

 

[Lotusflower]

Wonder where G would be if he had been passing to Ovechkin all these years like Backstrom has

Yet our own fanbase voted LeClair over Giroux in the poll. Quality of teammates is important in whatever narrative you look at

 

[Appleyard]

The slashing rules and how the game has opened up slightly more could also seriously be the difference between HHoF and not for Giroux as well.

Early to say so... and things will tighten up a bit... but right now at 05-06 levels. If have ~3 years with say ~5.8-6.2 GPG (like 2005-2009) instead of the 5.5 GPG have had for last ~7 years could make the difference. Which is stupid but it could.

65pts in a 5.5 GPG climate for example is 71pts in a 6.0 GPG climate.

73pts in a 5.5 GPG climate is 80pts in a 6.0 GPG climate.

 

[Curufinwe]

The previous page is pretty funny.

 

[Rebels57]

Yet our own fanbase voted LeClair over Giroux in the poll. Quality of teammates is important in whatever narrative you look at

LeClair was a hell of a player and his numbers never dipped when Lindros was out of the lineup.

 

[Striiker]

The previous page is pretty funny.

Anti-Giroux and anti-Couturier people just love being wrong.

 

[whitstifier]

I'll take the over on 123 points

 

[Appleyard]

Pretty impressive really. Only 3 HHoFers ahead of him in era adjusted PPG at the same age.

 

[deadhead]

LeClair was a hell of a player and his numbers never dipped when Lindros was out of the lineup.

Which is why I hate the defense of certain players: "oh look at the trash he has to play with."

While there are better fits and certain combinations have chemistry, the difference between mediocre (Raffl, Weise) and good is the ability to make the players on your line better, if you depend on having top linemates to play well, you're probably not that good to start with.

 

[deadhead]

Those Clarke numbers are amazing, given the style of play back in the 1970s.
Giroux could not have thrived in that environment, "where everything goes."
Clarke was about the same size as Giroux, but mean as a rattlesnake.

 

[hatcher]

G wouldn't cut in the Lindros era at all.

 

[Appleyard]

Those Clarke numbers are amazing, given the style of play back in the 1970s.
Giroux could not have thrived in that environment, "where everything goes."
Clarke was about the same size as Giroux, but mean as a rattlesnake.

The thing that is most amazing about Clarke is that he did that while also being the Patrice Bergeron of his day defensively.

Eh, there were smaller, less nasty players than Giroux who played great in the 1970's. Marcel Dionne for one... who was a top 5 player of the decade. Also guys like Butch Goring, Jean Ratelle and Yvan Cournoyer. And Giroux has more talent and ability than those final three.

 

[Appleyard]

G wouldn't cut in the Lindros era at all.

Pierre Turgeon did. Adam Oates did...

good players would excel in pretty much any era IMO... just some are more suited for certain ones.

Giroux would be probably best in the 1980's-early 1990's and the ~4-5 years immediately post lockout. But so would a lot of forwards... that environment was the best environment for skilled forwards to flourish.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Pierre Turgeon did. Adam Oates did...

good players would excel in pretty much any era IMO... just some are more suited for certain ones.

Giroux would be probably best in the 1980's-early 1990's and the ~4-5 years immediately post lockout. But so would a lot of forwards... that environment was the best environment for skilled forwards to flourish.

... unless you had the misfortune to run afoul of Dale Hunter during one of his moods. He was a spectacularly special sack of ****, the King of the Cementheads.

 

[Beef Invictus]

G wouldn't cut in the Lindros era at all.

Mark Recchi did well for himself. He is 5'10 and 185-195 over his career. That's Giroux's size.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

ray whitney did pretty well to

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

*names 3937 more forwards* did well.

 

[hatcher]

Mark Recchi did well for himself. He is 5'10 and 185-195 over his career. That's Giroux's size.

Played way bigger and wouldn''t take shit and fought threw everything. G is playing great but to fight threw holding all game long would kill him. Great for todays game though.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Played way bigger and wouldn''t take **** and fought threw everything. G is playing great but to fight threw holding all game long would kill him. Great for todays game though.

He's done it for years and still produced. Players have long been allowed to waterski off G and V.

 

[deadhead]

185 lbs was a lot bigger 40 years ago than today.
Wonder what the average size of a NHL player was in 1975 v 2015.

I'd bet on a 10 lb difference because of weight training and nuitrition, back then, they went to training camp to get in shape, and they didn't have Kale milkshakes, they drank fermented beverages to put on weight.

Just look at the NFL, you didn't have freaks like JJ Watt 40 years ago, Reggie White might have been the closest and he played in the 1990s.