Sportsnet: CJ: Teams interested in Andersen, who is reportedly preparing not to be in Toronto next season
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TheDoldrums
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Andersen has faced by far the most shots in the league since he joined the Leafs. Back to back 66 game seasons to start his tenure, his games played only dropped the last couple years due to injuries (ominous). I'd be terrified to give him a long-term deal. It makes sense to get something for him while he's still valued around the league.
If that were the case why not just trade Andersen and then move Kapanen for Murray?
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Bergevin sent me an offer sheet
I think it'd make sense if Matt Murray was heading to Toronto to reunite with Keefe. Could see them either signing Murray to a long-term low-cost contract. Or give him a small contract then a big one after that. Gotta think though that they would've included him in the Kapanen trade.
I could see the Dallas Stars as a possibility for Andersen.
I could see the Dallas Stars as a possibility for Andersen.
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The Leafs won't be resigning him when his contract is up, he'll be 31 and most likely look for 6 mill+ on a deal. We can't afford that so it's time to find someone else before losing him for nothing.
Also, he's not the main issue but he's not apart of the solution either. He routinely gives up back breaking goals in critical games. Game 5 this year the second goal was awful, game 7 last year he gave up a couple terrible ones (goals 1 and 3), game 7 the year before he gave up stinkers as well (I remember the Debrusk winning goal wasn't great). There was a stat where he's 0-8 in his last 8 elimination games with a 3.5+ gaa and under 900 save percentage. Something just isn't right with him during those situations
He's been a solid goaltender for us and was our best goalie in a long time but if we find another option it makes sense to move on
CantLoseWithMatthews
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his heavy workload and declining performance are reasons to move on from Andersen, not keep him
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Empoleon8771
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It's possible they didn't have a deal set up for Andersen yet, and Dubas didn't want to make the trade at first without having an Andersen trade lined up and JR didn't want to wait. Trading the 1st in place of Murray would make that work for now, and it could be re-visited down the line. Dubas would be killing any sort of leverage he had with Andersen by acquiring Murray this early.
Murray and Hallander for Kapanen seems like a much more even trade than pick #15 and Hallander for Kapanen IMO.
It’s possible... but there were multiple reports
That said the leafs wanted a first for kappy and they shopped him to multiple teams and spoke to
Multiple teams about their first
Empoleon8771
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Dubas also came out right after the trade and said he was willing to trade the 1st for win-now help, though.
My thoughts exactly. Andersen has played a ton of games over the last 4 years, and has been pretty solid. He is certainly not the worst use of cap on that team.
Maybe. I just think it’s unlikely Toronto trades that pick back to Pittsburgh.
Ultimately, I think this simply comes down to cap allocation.
The cap is flat for at least the next 3 years. That means when you want to give a raise to somebody that deserves it, like Andersen, Hyman, Rielly, Dermott, Sandin, etc; it has to come from somewhere.
The Leafs have the vast majority of their cap tied up in 6 players (big 4, Rielly & Muzzin) -- of which Rielly is the only one expiring after 2 years, and everyone else who has at least 4 years left.
Dubas is committed to the big 4, and is entering a season likely to be compressed, meaning you absolutely have to have 2 good goalies. That means you can barely afford Andersen at $5m, and you certainly cannot afford him at the $6-7-m that he rightfully deserves as a UFA (even in the flat cap scenario).
So the options are very simple for Dubas:
1. You trade Andersen, and look to capitalize on the fact that somebody's going to get a 60-game goaltender for $1m; while even the rich teams will be tightening their budgets. Use the fact that there are a plethora of goalies available on the market (who are all going to get squeezed because of the flat cap) to sign somebody on a 3-4 year deal for $3-4m. Max out the bonuses so at least he's getting paid like a $4-5m goaltender if we have shortened seasons.
2. You keep Andersen for the year, likely sacrifice an opportunity to improve the defensive group (simply by virtue of cap space), not only have a theoretically wasted year, but forego the opportunity to get something out of him.
The cap is flat for at least the next 3 years. That means when you want to give a raise to somebody that deserves it, like Andersen, Hyman, Rielly, Dermott, Sandin, etc; it has to come from somewhere.
The Leafs have the vast majority of their cap tied up in 6 players (big 4, Rielly & Muzzin) -- of which Rielly is the only one expiring after 2 years, and everyone else who has at least 4 years left.
Dubas is committed to the big 4, and is entering a season likely to be compressed, meaning you absolutely have to have 2 good goalies. That means you can barely afford Andersen at $5m, and you certainly cannot afford him at the $6-7-m that he rightfully deserves as a UFA (even in the flat cap scenario).
So the options are very simple for Dubas:
1. You trade Andersen, and look to capitalize on the fact that somebody's going to get a 60-game goaltender for $1m; while even the rich teams will be tightening their budgets. Use the fact that there are a plethora of goalies available on the market (who are all going to get squeezed because of the flat cap) to sign somebody on a 3-4 year deal for $3-4m. Max out the bonuses so at least he's getting paid like a $4-5m goaltender if we have shortened seasons.
2. You keep Andersen for the year, likely sacrifice an opportunity to improve the defensive group (simply by virtue of cap space), not only have a theoretically wasted year, but forego the opportunity to get something out of him.
Bounces R Way
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And he has provided steady starting goaltending in spite of that workload. If the Leafs can't afford an Andersen extension what's the likelihood that his replacement will be an upgrade? Or even on par? I get the elimination game gripe, I really do, but assuming the next guy will be some revelation just because he's new is some real wishful Kyle Dubas thinking.
Jack Campbell has never started 35 games in a season and has 23 wins to his name. There should be a lot of other goalies available this year so maybe they can nab a good one. Moving on for the sake of moving on just seems like classic 1 step forward 2 steps back.
No, I don't think that it is likely at all. People like Mirtle have already said that Murray was not really part of the trade discussions at all because Murray is RFA with arb rights and Toronto, like a lot of teams, have no interest in either needing to pay a unreasonable amount from an arb ruling or simply letting Murray walk away. If that were to happens it would be a trade of Kapanen for Hallander .
I think the Pens are going to have a bit of problem moving Murray until their is cost certainty with his next contract.
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I sure hope Murray isn't the target. The Leafs shouldn't be looking to downgrade in net
Your last paragraph summarizes exactly why the 15th won’t be moved for Murray
LeafsNation75
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It's a lot more then just that.
Here are two bad goals Andersen allowed in a winner take all elimination game against Boston and Columbus.
Here was the game winning goal Andersen allowed in Game 1 against Columbus when the score was 0-0 in the 3rd period and in my opinion this is a shot he needs to stop.
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