Waived: Chris Higgins (Update: Clears)

[Addison Rae]

To rehash the Wilson vs Sutter debate, I've already went over their point totals and Wilson had the edge, but on top of it analytically speaking Wilson blows Sutter out of the water. Wilson has played usual middle 6 competition and absolutely killed it possession wise, where as Sutter was mostly a puck possession boat anchor in Pittsburgh. Statistically speaking it's quite clear that Brandon Sutter is inferior to Colin Wilson. If that isn't enough to convince you then go start a player poll, Colin Wilson is a better player on a better contract no matter how you slice it.

 

[alternate]

Over the past 3 seasons he's scored at a near identical pace to Shawn Matthias.

Find me a list of forwards in the history of the national hockey league who haven't scored more than 40 points in a season who make 4 and a half million a season?

This notion of 4.5 million being market value for a 30 point centre is ridiculous. All your guys examples feature better players on better contacts. He's cracked 35 points once in his career, he's not a foundational player nor is he worth his cap hit.

History of the NHL is pretty moot since there's been a cap this high for about .5 seasons to date. You can't seem to grasp the concept of a rising cap lifts all salaries. Scored 21 goals last season, that gets you $4m+ as a ufa in today's NHL.

 

[Addison Rae]

History of the NHL is pretty moot since there's been a cap this high for about .5 seasons to date. You can't seem to grasp the concept of a rising cap lifts all salaries. Scored 21 goals last season, that gets you $4m+ as a ufa in today's NHL.

Okay and Shawn Matthias's 18 goals got him half of that, is 3 goals really the difference between 2.25 and 4.5? How about another interesting tidbit. Stop trying to suggesting that this "uh 20 goals so he's rightfully worth 4 million" narrative. Antione Vermette was a year removed from a 24 goal season he got under 4 million. Is there any evidence for the cap to be rising, because with the Canadian dollar being what it is I doubt it's going to be up much. Carl Soderberg got a similar contract to Brandon Sutter this summer, Soderberg has been a ~50 point player, meaning he's averaged around 15 more points a season then Sutter. This year Soderberg is playing extremely tough minutes and 45 games into tho season he's already scoring around Sutter's career average (30 points) he's on pace for 55 points.

Sutter, 14-15, 5v5:
1000+ min
had 3 primary assists

Since 2002, no center had less primary assists in at least 1000min. Only 2 also had 3.

 

[F A N]

To rehash the Wilson vs Sutter debate, I've already went over their point totals and Wilson had the edge, but on top of it analytically speaking Wilson blows Sutter out of the water. Wilson has played usual middle 6 competition and absolutely killed it possession wise, where as Sutter was mostly a puck possession boat anchor in Pittsburgh. Statistically speaking it's quite clear that Brandon Sutter is inferior to Colin Wilson. If that isn't enough to convince you then go start a player poll, Colin Wilson is a better player on a better contract no matter how you slice it.

Wilson is on a "better" contract because he got paid much more than Sutter for his Rfa years. Do a poll and ask if Wilson was a year away from being a Ufa how much it would be to extend him for 5 years. Certainly not for Sutter money. Look at Wilson's signing thread. The consensus is that his Ufa years arr worth at least $4.5-4.6M a year. This is market value.

 

[alternate]

Okay and Shawn Matthias's 18 goals got him half of that, is 3 goals really the difference between 2.25 and 4.5? How about another interesting tidbit. Stop trying to suggesting that this "uh 20 goals so he's rightfully worth 4 million" narrative. Antione Vermette was a year removed from a 24 goal season he got under 4 million. Is there any evidence for the cap to be rising, because with the Canadian dollar being what it is I doubt it's going to be up much. Carl Soderberg got a similar contract to Brandon Sutter this summer, Soderberg has been a ~50 point player, meaning he's averaged around 15 more points a season then Sutter. This year Soderberg is playing extremely tough minutes and 45 games into tho season he's already scoring around Sutter's career average (30 points) he's on pace for 55 points.

Sutter, 14-15, 5v5:
1000+ min
had 3 primary assists

Since 2002, no center had less primary assists in at least 1000min. Only 2 also had 3.

Matthias sucks. Vermette is 33 compared to 27. And while he was a year removed from 24 goals, the other 3 of the last 4 years he scored 11, 13 and 13. Soderberg has a cap hit of $4.75m compared to $4.375m next year for Sutter. Good player, but not a contract that makes Sutter's look all out of whack.

Not overly worried about primary assists. Sutter plays a north south game and looks to shoot. If he can keep potting around 20 goals I don't really care a whole lot about his primary assists. Seems like a fluke/result of his linemates anyway. You'd think he'd have more 3 primary assists just off deflections and rebounds.

I'm not claiming Sutter's deal is a steal. But it's about right. Soderberg being paid a bit more for some extra pp production doesn't change that.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Neither Wilson or Mathias are Centers

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Looks like the original topic has run its course.

Closed.