Chiarelli to STL?

frag2

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Nah it really is. That organization had been a tire fire for years before he even got hired. GM's do not act alone, they rely on their core in the office. Whether their assistants, presidents, scouts, etc. You think Chia said "**** it, let's do Hall for Larsson" without asking his pro scouts and assistants? You think they traded the 16th OA pick without consulting their scouts on who was there and what the potential of that D was? He didn't run these trades past the suits who "know how to win"?

Of course not. And that same core exists today. Did he do an amazing job? No of course not. But Oilers fans have been great at making him into the scape goat for every failure the organization has done in recent memory. When the reality is, the issue is a lot deeper than that.

Let's not forget Oilers fans were even more hyped when Chia was hired than Holland.

You dont know shit what went down behind the scenes. Guy didn't even live in Edmonton after his first year and never around for pretty much anything,

He was pure garbage that thought McDavid = automatic playoffs
 

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Nah it really is. That organization had been a tire fire for years before he even got hired. GM's do not act alone, they rely on their core in the office. Whether their assistants, presidents, scouts, etc. You think Chia said "**** it, let's do Hall for Larsson" without asking his pro scouts and assistants? You think they traded the 16th OA pick without consulting their scouts on who was there and what the potential of that D was? He didn't run these trades past the suits who "know how to win"?

Of course not. And that same core exists today. Did he do an amazing job? No of course not. But Oilers fans have been great at making him into the scape goat for every failure the organization has done in recent memory. When the reality is, the issue is a lot deeper than that.

Let's not forget Oilers fans were even more hyped when Chia was hired than Holland.
You have a point, it must have been a deeper issue in the org. But he was still pretty freaking awful doing trades and contracts.

With some exceptions. So maybe he has value as a scout like a couple of previous posts suggest?
 

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You dont know **** what went down behind the scenes. Guy didn't even live in Edmonton after his first year and never around for pretty much anything,

He was pure garbage that thought McDavid = automatic playoffs

Hate to bring basketball into this but it reminded me of the cavs with Lebron at the start of his career.

Just pure dependance on the player literally carrying some rotting corpses into the playoffs.
 
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St. Louis signed a deal with the devil: confirmed

1 cup win, for a lifetime of poor decisions. It's like the Leafs in the 60's.
 

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Nah it really is. That organization had been a tire fire for years before he even got hired. GM's do not act alone, they rely on their core in the office. Whether their assistants, presidents, scouts, etc. You think Chia said "**** it, let's do Hall for Larsson" without asking his pro scouts and assistants? You think they traded the 16th OA pick without consulting their scouts on who was there and what the potential of that D was? He didn't run these trades past the suits who "know how to win"?

Of course not. And that same core exists today. Did he do an amazing job? No of course not. But Oilers fans have been great at making him into the scape goat for every failure the organization has done in recent memory. When the reality is, the issue is a lot deeper than that.

Let's not forget Oilers fans were even more hyped when Chia was hired than Holland.

Load of nonsense excuses.

Chiarelli also traded away Seguin, Wheeler, let Kessell walk for an offer sheet. Hall trade was his master stroke move because he had his golden boy Lucic lined up to sign to a ridiculous 7 year contract.

Which makes it that much worse, not only he do that Hall eyes wide open, he did it so basically he could go get Lucic.

The GM's job is to sign off on all major moves, not to have his hand held like a baby either. Scouts are supposed to help out on stuff like 2nd/3rd/4th round picks, not to tell you which major trades you should be making.

He was woefully incompetent given all the assets he had to start with.
 

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I'm confused. Even as a consultant, what does Chiarelli bring to the table?
If you're an independent business consultant who has a history of being absolutely mediocre while being employed by companies and making extremely poor business ideas that lose money and hurt your competitive standing in the market, why should anyone hire you? I can't point to a single decision he made that somebody else could not have done better than he did. He continuously failed miserably in every step he took. This may be hyperbole, but HFBoards as a collective would have consistently done better.
 

thestonedkoala

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HE WAS NEVER IN CONTENTION FOR THE WILD JOB.

I think they chatted, but that was it. There was no serious dialog between the two of them.
 

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Coming up empty on the 2nd day of the draft again and again and again under Tambellini and MacTavish has had downstream effects on Edmonton's asset pool. Generate some middle pairing defensemen or middle 6 forwards internally and Chiarelli doesn't have to fill out the rest of the lineup via trade and free agency.

There's a strong urge to attribute the successes or failures of an organization on a central executive. GMs are more reliant on circumstances out of their control than that. We've watched Jim Rutherford go from a GM that was principally responsible for a 9-year long playoff drought in Carolina to a guy that about to be inducted into the HOF for his work in Pittsburgh. Don Waddell was roundly considered to be an idiot this time last year for his work in Atlanta; Carolina had to fight to keep him from Minnesota a year later.

What assets you inherit from your predecessors, how lucky you are with the lottery and most importantly, the effectiveness of your amateur scouts, are the defining "skills" of a GM, imo.
 
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As soon as he gets power watch him try to trade Tarasenko for 4 ahl defensemen.
 

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Nah it really is. That organization had been a tire fire for years before he even got hired. GM's do not act alone, they rely on their core in the office. Whether their assistants, presidents, scouts, etc. You think Chia said "**** it, let's do Hall for Larsson" without asking his pro scouts and assistants? You think they traded the 16th OA pick without consulting their scouts on who was there and what the potential of that D was? He didn't run these trades past the suits who "know how to win"?

Of course not. And that same core exists today. Did he do an amazing job? No of course not. But Oilers fans have been great at making him into the scape goat for every failure the organization has done in recent memory. When the reality is, the issue is a lot deeper than that.

Let's not forget Oilers fans were even more hyped when Chia was hired than Holland.

Eberle > Strome > Spooner
Hall for Larsson
1st (Matt Barzal) + 2nd (traded up for Anthony Beavilleaur) for Griffin Reinhart
Lucic signing
Koskinen signing
Caggiula for Manning
3rd for Petrovic
 

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Nah it really is. That organization had been a tire fire for years before he even got hired. GM's do not act alone, they rely on their core in the office. Whether their assistants, presidents, scouts, etc. You think Chia said "**** it, let's do Hall for Larsson" without asking his pro scouts and assistants? You think they traded the 16th OA pick without consulting their scouts on who was there and what the potential of that D was? He didn't run these trades past the suits who "know how to win"?

Of course not. And that same core exists today. Did he do an amazing job? No of course not. But Oilers fans have been great at making him into the scape goat for every failure the organization has done in recent memory. When the reality is, the issue is a lot deeper than that.

Let's not forget Oilers fans were even more hyped when Chia was hired than Holland.



Tyler Seguin
Taylor Hall
Barzal pick
Jordan Eberle
Rich Peverley


for


Ryan Strome
Adam Larsson
Griffin Reinhart
Loui Eriksson
Reilly Smith


GTFO here. This guy is a sieve disguised as a GM.
 

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If I was STL I wouldn't just worry about Chiarelli ruining future success. I would worry about losing the Stanley Cup you just won. He is that bad - he may recommend trading it.
 

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People are acting as if he’s the GM now. IIRC Chia was around towards the end of last season, too. That turned out alright.

Ultimately he may be asked his opinion on things but it’s still Armstrong running the show and he’s done a pretty good job of that thus far.
 

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