Chia Addresses Media After Purcell, Schultz and Nilsson Trades 2-27-16

[Tyrolean]

We're a bit less skilled but also way less soft after today.

It's amazing how just putting anyone else in the lineup instead of these two guys made us harder to play against the past two games.

Schultz has gotten worse every year he's been here. Little bit the team's fault but mostly his fault.

No, it's because of the fear of being traded close to the deadline that made the players play a bit better. Wait until after the trade deadline, they will revert back to form.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

Yeah, I have a hard time getting excited about Chiarelli trading away players for picks. We have nothing in the pipeline for next season in terms of prospects, and the team is still full of marginal NHL-players.

I'll get excited when/if Chiarelli actually manages to bring in substantially better players then the ones he got rid off.

 

[iCanada]

Yeah, I have a hard time getting excited about Chiarelli trading away players for picks. We have nothing in the pipeline for next season in terms of prospects, and the team is still full of marginal NHL-players.

I'll get excited when/if Chiarelli actually manages to bring in substantially better players then the ones he got rid off.

I think with our cap situation, abd the cap going down next year, there are plenty of good UFA's that could come at their current salaries, and plenty of players teams could be looking to move out.

I think 3rd round picks will be good chips for strong players come the draft.

 

[Seachd]

Ah yes, the trade deadline. That time of year where non-playoff teams bank on bringing in experienced players, as has happened... never.

Friedman said the #1 thing he'd change about the NHL is the salary cap. Really think it hurts hockey trades.

It does, but it's also much more important than trades.

 

[nabob]

"We got picks for Schultz and Purcell not live bodies" well no ****! Who would you trade from our team for Schultz? For Purcell at $4.5 million?

You can put Chia's balls to the bandsaw if you want to after the draft and FA if he's done nothing. Until then step back from the ledge before you step on a fresh pile of bird crap and fall off.

Even then certain posters will never be satisfied. The way that Sekera still gets run down by some is proof of that. Yes he had a rough first couple of weeks, but he has easily met expectations since then. The hardest thing to change is a stubborn persons predetermined opinion. Chia signs the BEST UFA Dman available and it is seen a a massive negative by some who then complain that he doesnt sign anyone.

 

[nabob]

Yeah, I have a hard time getting excited about Chiarelli trading away players for picks. We have nothing in the pipeline for next season in terms of prospects, and the team is still full of marginal NHL-players.

I'll get excited when/if Chiarelli actually manages to bring in substantially better players then the ones he got rid off.

When the players he is saddled with such as Schultz and Purcell have little to no value then what do you expect. A turd can be polished until its reflection is blinding, but it is still a turd. He traded an asset that was 2 days away from becoming of zero value to the team for an asset that has value and will increase in value after the season. whats to complain about?

 

[alphahelix]

I think with our cap situation, abd the cap going down next year, there are plenty of good UFA's that could come at their current salaries, and plenty of players teams could be looking to move out.

I think 3rd round picks will be good chips for strong players come the draft.

Agreed. I didn't really love blowing all the picks last year on guys like Reinhart, but we know from experience that given a situation where Chiarelli has a team that needs to improve and a lot of mid picks for ammunition, he will use them to add players.

There will be lots of players available as teams look to dump cap space.

I hope we trade Fayne or Pouliot despite them being effective players just for the cap space/picks - because I think there will be a lot of quality options in the summer to replace them and improve other areas. All of our moves so far have been dumping UFA/RFA .. would be nice to cut some salary right out from next years budget.

 

[nabob]

Agreed. I didn't really love blowing all the picks last year on guys like Reinhart, but we know from experience that given a situation where Chiarelli has a team that needs to improve and a lot of mid picks for ammunition, he will use them to add players.

There will be lots of players available as teams look to dump cap space.

I hope we trade Fayne or Pouliot despite them being effective players just for the cap space/picks - because I think there will be a lot of quality options in the summer to replace them and improve other areas. All of our moves so far have been dumping UFA/RFA .. would be nice to cut some salary right out from next years budget.

You have to remember what the situation was with the scouting staff going into the draft. To get a prospect that is still highly regarded by some who is a former recent top 5 pick as well as a quality starting NHL goalie for those picks is much smarter than drafting players that had been recommended by scouts who were fired for being bad scouts. And then it looks like they hit some very good steals in the later rounds as well.

Who would you trade Pouliot for, or which pending UFA would you risk signing to replace him? Trading Fayne makes sense if he continues to struggle, but why trade a player who has consistently produced as expected and also has shown chemistry with everyone he has played with just for the sake of clearing cap space when you dont need to.

 

[Zaddy]

Honestly, between seeing dead weight like Purcell and Schultz being shipped out and that Chia presser I'm starting to get a little bit optimistic about the future. It sounds like Chia has some big moves planned for the summer.

 

[shoop]

Even then certain posters will never be satisfied. The way that Sekera still gets run down by some is proof of that. Yes he had a rough first couple of weeks, but he has easily met expectations since then. The hardest thing to change is a stubborn persons predetermined opinion. Chia signs the BEST UFA Dman available and it is seen a a massive negative by some who then complain that he doesnt sign anyone.

Great analysis of Sekera. He is a pretty solid 2/3D. Ideally leading your second pairing, but nothing wrong with having him on the top pairing complementing a true stud.

The negativity and thread hijacks are draining.

Chia was pretty upfront that his moves the past few days were to set the team up for bigger moves this off-season. Purcell, Schultz and Nilsson would have no value for the team in the off-season. The picks will be useful trade chips. Lundstrom? He gets an audition in Bako. If it doesn't work out? Meh.

 

[doulos]

Even then certain posters will never be satisfied. The way that Sekera still gets run down by some is proof of that. Yes he had a rough first couple of weeks, but he has easily met expectations since then. The hardest thing to change is a stubborn persons predetermined opinion. Chia signs the BEST UFA Dman available and it is seen a a massive negative by some who then complain that he doesnt sign anyone.

Some guys whine for the sake of whining. Sekera has been real solid this year for sure.

 

[frag2]

Honestly, between seeing dead weight like Purcell and Schultz being shipped out and that Chia presser I'm starting to get a little bit optimistic about the future. It sounds like Chia has some big moves planned for the summer.

Maybe he reads HFOil for ideas?

 

[doulos]

Finally just listened to the whole presser.

15 minutes of basically same old same old. No idea what people are excited about in there. Not that I blame Chia. When your team is a disaster and your only options are to move out expiring contracts then that's what you do. He did his job.

He basically committed to nothing, was respectful of the players moving out, said there is more work to do, and that was it. Incredibly vanilla press conference for sure.

 

[nabob]

Finally just listened to the whole presser.

15 minutes of basically same old same old. No idea what people are excited about in there. Not that I blame Chia. When your team is a disaster and your only options are to move out expiring contracts then that's what you do. He did his job.

He basically committed to nothing, was respectful of the players moving out, said there is more work to do, and that was it. Incredibly vanilla press conference for sure.

Would you rather him talk about imaginary bold moves that will be made and that we should expect the unexpected? Maybe he could have busted out some rhymes, or some knock knock jokes?

The "same old same old" would have been to deflect blame, make excuses and say he knows a thing or two about winning so we should trust him.

maybe you would have preferred something like this.

 

[doulos]

Would you rather him talk about imaginary bold moves that will be made and that we should expect the unexpected? Maybe he could have busted out some rhymes, or some knock knock jokes?

The "same old same old" would have been to deflect blame, make excuses and say he knows a thing or two about winning so we should trust him.

maybe you would have preferred something like this.

Strange post. I wasn't critical of Chiarelli at all. I even said I don't blame him. I just don't see any reason to get excited about it.

 

[Debonair]

The crying here in unreal. Yes we got "more draft picks" - that's generally what happens at the TDL for pending UFAs. Contending teams do not want to give up roster players - they want to add without subtracting.

So it's either we add 2 3rd round picks - which can be used later for trades or lose these players at the end of the year for nothing. Yes Schultz would have been a UFA because there is no way we'd give him a 4M qualifying offer.

Also I expect to hear more crying if the picks get used to draft players - WHYYYY PEEEEDUURRRRRR WE NEED PLAYERS NOT 17 YEAR OLDS PEEEEEEEEEDDDDDURRRRRRRR. as if they know Shea Weber was available for a 3rd rounder.

 

[Nikita Filatov*]

I see Chia poaching someone from Boston this offseason. No one crazy but I could see him taking advantage and getting McQuaid or Seidenberg for a late pick and then flipping them for a 2nd at that deadline.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Friedman said the #1 thing he'd change about the NHL is the salary cap. Really think it hurts hockey trades.

Who gives a ****? It really helps parity, which is far more important. If anything, I'd make the cap.tighter.

 

[McDraekke]

Strange post. I wasn't critical of Chiarelli at all. I even said I don't blame him. I just don't see any reason to get excited about it.

A lot of it is noticing the difference between management styles and success to previous years. Most people view each of these three trades as wins. So that alone is exciting, as so many times previously trades were made that were lateral at best, losses a lot of the time.

And I think the reason nabob included the video is that it shows the ridiculous amounts of arrogance that previous management has in comparison to the presser Chia just held.

No, it's not like Chia just saved the team and changed the makeup, but it's fantastic to see the Oilers with three trades that most people believe we won. Nilsson, Schultz, Purcell - none of these players were in any part of the future for our team, and Chia got back assets for them.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Finally just listened to the whole presser.

15 minutes of basically same old same old. No idea what people are excited about in there. Not that I blame Chia. When your team is a disaster and your only options are to move out expiring contracts then that's what you do. He did his job.

He basically committed to nothing, was respectful of the players moving out, said there is more work to do, and that was it. Incredibly vanilla press conference for sure.

When you've had 10+ years of blithering morons in charge, a vanilla press conference is amazing.

 

[VainGretzky]

Kassian and kharia show grit and can play a couple more of these forwards couple of dmen team is a playoff team . We have legit goaltending now I have faith in Chia still

 

[Oilfan2]

A lot of it is noticing the difference between management styles and success to previous years. Most people view each of these three trades as wins. So that alone is exciting, as so many times previously trades were made that were lateral at best, losses a lot of the time.

And I think the reason nabob included the video is that it shows the ridiculous amounts of arrogance that previous management has in comparison to the presser Chia just held.

No, it's not like Chia just saved the team and changed the makeup, but it's fantastic to see the Oilers with three trades that most people believe we won. Nilsson, Schultz, Purcell - none of these players were in any part of the future for our team, and Chia got back assets for them.

Problem with that view is it's very selective. If you've watched the Oilers at all over the years, even the last couple, there really is very little difference when it comes to these minor moves. They happened all the time and the Oil were on both sides.

I'm not going to crap on Chia yet because he deserves some time, and rope, but it's pretty naive to think these moves are somehow different than what the Oil, and most teams, do all the time.
Don't believe me? Look back at the last couple of years deadlines.

Wait and see if there's any moves with substance before making a decision one way or the other.

 

[PKSpecialist]

We should be a seller of picks instead of a buyer of picks. I don't care how many picks we give away or which ones. I'd give ALL our picks away next year If I thought it meant a good first pairing NHL D coming back to us.

WE need to turn the corner ASAP. The losing is completely demoralizing to every player on this squad. They need help now, not in prospects, drafts. Screw picks.

The worst team in the history of the NHL got more picks... I don't even....

This org is now the biggest joke ever in the league.

karma I guess for Wayne's comments about NJ.

We traded draft picks for real players last year. We traded three picks(and acquired one back) for Talbot. We traded 2 picks for Reinhart. We are barely an NHL team right now. You don't get better and sustain it by trading all of your picks.

You are looking at this rebuild as a beginning to an end. Trade all of our picks and prospects, make the playoffs, have one run at the Cup, and start rebuilding again.

You claim I must have the patience of a Saint because I don't care about making the playoffs, and I guess that is true, but I think you have the patience of a Saint if you are willing to have a one and done team only to tear it down and rebuild again because we don't have the underlying foundation to sustain success.

Yes, the NHL team needs help, but so does the prospect cupboard. Last years draft was a really good start from the defensive side of things considering(Reinhart, Paygin, Marino, Bear, Jones) are all good prospects. We also shored up goaltending at the NHL level for four years by trading picks for Talbot. Very good draft day for the team overall. But what about the forwards? McDavid was a great get, but we have 0 realistic NHL talent not playing in the NHL right now. Slepyshev, Yakimov, Chase, Kessy, Platzer.....these guys are long shots at significant NHL careers at best. You have to have a foundation at some point to be ready to compete.

 

[nabob]

A lot of it is noticing the difference between management styles and success to previous years. Most people view each of these three trades as wins. So that alone is exciting, as so many times previously trades were made that were lateral at best, losses a lot of the time.

And I think the reason nabob included the video is that it shows the ridiculous amounts of arrogance that previous management has in comparison to the presser Chia just held.

No, it's not like Chia just saved the team and changed the makeup, but it's fantastic to see the Oilers with three trades that most people believe we won. Nilsson, Schultz, Purcell - none of these players were in any part of the future for our team, and Chia got back assets for them.

That is exactly it. Unfortunately some choose to only be negative or pessimistic about even the simple pleasures of being Oiler fans. Because really that's all we've had.

 

[Replacement*]

It's called salary retention, he retained a percentage of his remaining contract, you can't just buy out the remainder of the contract in the process of trading him. We will pay a specified portion of the salary that is owed to Schultz and the Pens will pay the other portion and get a reduced cap-hit as a result.


Completely agree we need more experienced players, but now is the time of year when experienced players generally cost the most (aside from players on horrible contracts). Best to go vet shopping at the draft when picks are at their most valuable, or through free agency when experienced players don't require the expenditure of any asset other than money. This season is down the tubes no reason to pay full price on something that you know will be cheaper later.



I'll go half and half with you here, signing Schultz to any extension at his RFA qualifier or beyond was a mistake and I called it out as such in the offseason, we also gave him way more rope and icetime then he deserved and should of limited his minutes or benched him completely for long stretches of the season after it became evident he was a huge liability, all his gaffes and the losing he contributed to wasn't worth a 3rd round pick. I give Chia a small concession in that he was new to the organization and not fully familiar with the player (though I think sitting down and watching a couple hour of clips would of been enough to decide not to sign him), I suspect he relied on his assistant GM's opinion on whether or not to sign him and the wrong decision was made. If he makes a similar mistake in the future now that he is familiar with the organization, its players, and the people who are feeding him their opinions I won't be so lenient.

With respect to Purcell I can't really call him out on that, its a player already under contract with the organization and in an ideal world I'm thinking they want Ebs and Yak as the top 2 RW's on the team, but between injuries and Yak just not playing upto that level Purcell took on that open spot. Purcell was little more than insurance against Yak not being able to hold that top 6 role and while he's a player there was no future in, he still filled a hole that needed filling. While placeholders might seem stupid, if there is a player you think can grow into that role, but just needs a little extra time to get there it's not an inherently bad idea to have someone in that spot or who can atleast challenge them to fight for a certain spot in the line-up and seize it from them.


It didn't sound like he was done to me, it sounds like he has more irons in the fire, but I'm not expecting a big splash and I don't think now is the time for a big splash either. If we are to trade a young gun the best return will likely be at the draft and there will be more teams that can get into the discussion with more salary cap space available to play around with. Good teams also hold onto good players pretty tight, but an embarrassing playoff performance can at times free those players up that wouldn't normally be made available at any other time in the year.

The bolded is the absolute crux of where I disagree and that makes me feel tht the year long use of Schultz and Purcell as placeholders has wasted development time.

What you state is an inference. It states a belief that players need to work themselves up the lineup to prove themselves. Even #1 pick players. I believe strongly that placeholders like Purcell, rather than help players like Yakupov, Khaira, etc, develop, instead just occupy positions that the others would benefit from. My take is that some players, specifically Yakupov need to be playing against the best and with the best to develop optimally. Give them lesser minutes and it just pisses all over their game. Any coach here that has believed in Yakupov and given him good minutes and topsix minutes has seen results, has seen production during the periods of time he has had it. Purcell put up 30 something pt seasons here while occupying a topsix position almost constantly and for no reason whatsoever imo. Rather than Help a player like Yak develop I feel that has warehoused him out of the role he would do best in. It makes no sense to me because I understand that Yak requires and benefits from a higher, not lesser, level of play.

Next, Khaira, in brief stints with Hall and Drai looked awesome in a support banger role to those guys using his body effectively to get to loose pucks and giving time for the more talented players to setup. What I would do is bring this player up earlier and reintroduce him to NHL play. Really I think this player could surpise people and is closer to being able to play a 2nd/3rd line mix than people think. But Purcell has prevented that body of development. Simply by being a placeholder. I fear Kassian is now going to be used constantly in that topsix role and that the club dealt Purcell to be replaced in topsix rotation by the more aggressive Kassian. Which again leaves our own young developing players out of that crucial mix.

As for Schultz and D my opinion is more that he has just cost the team severely on the ice and that almost any other options and even org options at D were better. Playing Schultz was just a lose proposition that hurt the team on the ice.

My saltiness went through the roof when the org confirmed yesterday that they had absolutely no ongoing plans for Schultz and Purcell going forward. They were just using them in a placeholding way that greatly diminished development potential and progress of this season. I really feel like this is yet another season lost. I bet most of the players on the team would feel pretty similarly. The young players on this team didn't get what they needed dearly imo. Opportunities to advance org players were limited because the org kept players it didn't believe in, in those roles. The org did this for another whole season.