Ceci vs Zaitsev

[Kshahdoo]

There was a big discussion about this trade back to the summer. Both fan bases were happy about getting rid of their respective players. A few months have passed, and you won't find a lot of Toronto fans happy about Ceci, while most Ottawa fans are sure Zaitsev is a much better player and more or less satisfied with his game.

So what do you think, what player is actually better out of these two?

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[bert]

Its really not saying much to be better than Ceci and Zaitsev has a long contract but I can say this with Certainty. I havent wanted to throw my remote nearly as much this season watching the sens as last year, and overall the roster is actually worse.

 

[TheNumber4]

Zaitsev sucks. Ceci mostly sucks but still have potential to be decent if support by a stacked team that's gelling well.

 

[bert]

Zaitsev sucks. Ceci mostly sucks but still have potential to be decent if support by a stacked team that's gelling well.

Cece cant handle any level of puck pressure.

 

[ijuka]

I think Zaitsev is bad, but still better than Ceci.

 

[ottawah]

Toronto fans by and large seem to be comfortable with Ceci and even willing to sign him longer term, at current price. They hated Zaitsev at that price.

Zaitsev, despite getting better deployment on the Ottawa team than Ceci did last year is largely lower across for the board for all stats including advanced stats. Ceci takes the crap minutes Zaitsev got last year on toronto, and is an improvement across the board on all stats.


There is a large Ceci hate on that really does not jive with what he produces.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Zaitsev obviously, but this was a cap move by the leafs more than a hockey move.

 

[shaner8989]

Both trash

Gimme ceci all day everyday cause his contract is done this year

Zaitsev has like 4 years left. Puke

Good move for leafs

 

[ijuka]

Both trash

Gimme ceci all day everyday cause his contract is done this year

Zaitsev has like 4 years left. Puke

Good move for leafs

Trading Zaitsev was a good move indeed, but signing Ceci for 4.5mil, on the other hand, was a bad move.

 

[Fear]

Trading Zaitsev was a good move indeed, but signing Ceci for 4.5mil, on the other hand, was a bad move.

It was inevitable since Ottawa already offered him his qualifying offer. His floor salary was 4.3 and who knows what arbitration could have brought

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Ceci. Both suck, but Zaitsev sucks more and for longer. 5v5 numbers
Ceci: 12 games | 4 points | 52 cf% (-3.2 rel) | 66.7 gf% (+23.8 rel) | 53 xgf% (+3.6 rel) | 30 QoC
Zaitsev: 10 games | 1 point | 41 cf% (-9.5 rel) | 33 gf% (-12.8 rel) | 40.9 xgf% (-10.4 rel) | 29.3 QoC

 

[NyQuil]

One is playing on a NHL team and the other is playing on an AHL team.

That’s all you need to know when it comes to advanced stats.

Thankfully Zaitsev won’t get exposed in the playoffs while Ceci certainly will.

 

[ccman68]

Ceci. Both suck, but Zaitsev sucks more and for longer. 5v5 numbers
Ceci: 12 games | 4 points | 52 cf% (-3.2 rel) | 66.7 gf% (+23.8 rel) | 53 xgf% (+3.6 rel) | 30 QoC
Zaitsev: 10 games | 1 point | 41 cf% (-9.5 rel) | 33 gf% (-12.8 rel) | 40.9 xgf% (-10.4 rel) | 29.3 QoC

Ceci is better but you have to realize that if you force a bottom pairing dman to play on the top pairing of the worst team in the league his numbers are gonna look uglier than they should.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Zaitsev is probably less worse.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Basically the same defenseman, but one is signed for 4 years longer at too much money.

Still can't believe the Leafs got out of that contract for next to nothing after trading a 1st to get rid of Marleau.

 

[ijuka]

Why are so many people considering contracts when that wasn't the question? Hm.

 

[ijuka]

Basically the same defenseman, but one is signed for 4 years longer at too much money.

Still can't believe the Leafs got out of that contract for next to nothing after trading a 1st to get rid of Marleau.

Yeah, that trade truly puzzled me at the time. If Leafs just had not signed Ceci, though, they could have held on to Marleau and didn't have to give up a 1st. Baffling.

 

[Sam Spade]

Ceci is fighting for his NHL life, Zaitsev is set for life because of that contract the Leafs gave him.

Wouldn't want either of them on my team.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Ceci. Both suck, but Zaitsev sucks more and for longer. 5v5 numbers
Ceci: 12 games | 4 points | 52 cf% (-3.2 rel) | 66.7 gf% (+23.8 rel) | 53 xgf% (+3.6 rel) | 30 QoC
Zaitsev: 10 games | 1 point | 41 cf% (-9.5 rel) | 33 gf% (-12.8 rel) | 40.9 xgf% (-10.4 rel) | 29.3 QoC

First, Zaitsev has scored 2 points, not one. Second, Zaitsev's PDO is 975, while Ceci's one is 1020. It's a huge difference.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Zaitsev is much better

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Yeah, that trade truly puzzled me at the time. If Leafs just had not signed Ceci, though, they could have held on to Marleau and didn't have to give up a 1st. Baffling.

the sens had already extended a qualifying offer to Ceci so they had no option but to sign Him from what I understand

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Zaitsev is much better

he really isn't although both are pretty terrible and should not be given difficult minutes in a teams top 4.

 

[ESH]

First, Zaitsev has scored 2 points, not one. Second, Zaitsev's PDO is 975, while Ceci's one is 1020. It's a huge difference.

PDO doesn’t have any effect on those stats

 

[HSF]

Zaitsev is a lot better than Ceci

Leafs moved him to ease their cap situation

 

[Kshahdoo]

PDO doesn’t have any effect on those stats

"PDO, called SPSV% by the NHL,[4] is the sum of a team's shooting percentage and its save percentage.[7] PDO is usually measured at even strength, and based on the theory that most teams will ultimately regress toward a sum of 100, is often viewed as a proxy for how lucky a team is. According to Wilson, a player or team with a PDO over 102 is "probably not as good as they seem", while a player or team below 98 likely is better than they appear"

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