Confirmed with Link: CBJ extend Boqvist, 3 years 2.6M AAV

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I’m not a huge fan of Boqvist.

This is not a huge contract.

Sounds good to me.

 

[LJ7]

Wow I kinda noticed this but didn't think it was so extreme.

To add, from the guy who tracked him:

 

[cslebn]

IDK if this is sarcasm, but, I have been saying this, and I mean it. Offensively, while I think his skating/agility needs work, I think his shooting is A+ and have no real issues with his passing. There’s other negative aspects to his game that are probably negatively impacting his apparent passing effectiveness, although I also know those graphs and heat charts can not be trusted.

As a very small guy myself, I know you cannot sacrifice intensity in any way, while trying to be effective on the ice, especially as a defenseman in the NHL.

My D ranking in order of who I would keep at this point goes: 1) Bean 2) Boqvist 3)Peeke 4) Gavrikov

What makes you higher on Bean than the others?

And it was half joking, but it did work with burns and buff at times.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

The very tweet you opened this thread with lists him as a 23 y.o.

And it’s incorrect. He is 21 years old

 

[thebus88]

What makes you higher on Bean than the others?

And it was half joking, but it did work with burns and buff at times.

Basically that Bean clearly has the best all around game and his deficiencies seem to be minimal and easier to correct than the others.

While he doesn’t have the shot or overall offensive ability that Boqvist has, I think he’s quite a bit underrated offensively and is being underutilized offensively playing with or behind Werenski or Boqvist at ES or on the PP.

Also, while he doesn’t have the size/strength of Gavrikov or the intensity/aggressiveness of Peeke, I think he actually reads the game defensively better than both of those guys and is actually more effective defensively, while the perception and expressed opinion from most is that he is worse than these guys in this way.

I love 2 way guys that have smaller deficiencies that CAN be corrected, not guys with HUGE holes in their games that have a small chance of actually adequately filling or changing.

 

[cslebn]

Basically that Bean clearly has the best all around game and his deficiencies seem to be minimal and easier to correct than the others.

While he doesn’t have the shot or overall offensive ability that Boqvist has, I think he’s quite a bit underrated offensively and is being underutilized offensively playing with or behind Werenski or Boqvist at ES or on the PP.

Also, while he doesn’t have the size/strength of Gavrikov or the intensity/aggressiveness of Peeke, I think he actually reads the game defensively better than both of those guys and is actually more effective defensively, while the perception and expressed opinion from most is that he is worse than these guys in this way.

I love 2 way guys that have smaller deficiencies that CAN be corrected, not guys with HUGE holes in there games that have a small chance of actually adequately filling or changing.

Thanks. I really liked that we traded for Bean at the time. I still feel that way to an extent. I feel like while Bean reads the game well, he still ended up out of position more than I liked and also needs to add strength the same way Boqvist does. Not that he needs to bully guys but that 176 lbs at 6'1" seems a little slight and some strength would help win position battles.

I felt like Blankenburg showed much more strength than both. Maybe they need his workout program.

The concern I had watching last season was the number of times our D got stuck in the middle ground between offensive players. That said scheme issue to me, but the players still need to have that awareness.

 

[Viqsi]

My D ranking in order of who I would keep at this point goes: 1) Bean 2) Boqvist 3)Peeke 4) Gavrikov

I can't help but notice that this list entirely omits Werenski.

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Thanks. I really liked that we traded for Bean at the time. I still feel that way to an extent. I feel like while Bean reads the game well, he still ended up out of position more than I liked and also needs to add strength the same way Boqvist does. Not that he needs to bully guys but that 176 lbs at 6'1" seems a little slight and some strength would help win position battles.

I felt like Blankenburg showed much more strength than both. Maybe they need his workout program.

The concern I had watching last season was the number of times our D got stuck in the middle ground between offensive players. That said scheme issue to me, but the players still need to have that awareness.

Knowing what's going on doesn't amount to anything if you're not able or ready to actually execute on it. I'm not about to discard Bean for little or nothing, but frankly I think our blueline needs defensemen, not coaches-in-training.

 

[Youngguns80]

Thanks. I really liked that we traded for Bean at the time. I still feel that way to an extent. I feel like while Bean reads the game well, he still ended up out of position more than I liked and also needs to add strength the same way Boqvist does. Not that he needs to bully guys but that 176 lbs at 6'1" seems a little slight and some strength would help win position battles.

I felt like Blankenburg showed much more strength than both. Maybe they need his workout program.

The concern I had watching last season was the number of times our D got stuck in the middle ground between offensive players. That said scheme issue to me, but the players still need to have that awareness.

I feel like very green players - Bean, Boqvist - were asked to grow on the fly in higher line-up match-ups. Not to mention forward play was average at best in defensive coverage and goalie play was decent.

With that said we saw Bean and Boqvist were not physical, puck watching and didn‘t read the plays quick enough. I feel another year will be telling but I do think we need someone to play higher in the line-up to shelter them somewhat. Both of their games showed some warts.

Thoughts?

 

[thebus88]

I can't help but notice that this list entirely omits Werenski.

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Knowing what's going on doesn't amount to anything if you're not able or ready to actually execute on it. I'm not about to discard Bean for little or nothing, but frankly I think our blueline needs defensemen, not coaches-in-training.

Uh, well it’s almost as if Werenski is in a completely different tier of player and completely different situation as the other guys.

I look at Werenski the way people seem to look at Laine. I’d rather have Jones for the same money over both guys, but, the team is UNQUESTIONABLY better with Werenski, than they are without him.

I don’t think it’s as black and white or a fact that the team is better with Laine, ignoring potential return or not.

I’d give Laine’s opportunities BACK to Bjorkstrand and Bjorkstrand’s opportunities to Bemstrom/Texier/Marchenko. Trade or package Laine for a center or defenseman.

Who knows what would work or be better??

Also OMGZ what are you saying about Bean!?!? Why is this allowed!?!!

We’ve gone over this before in the past, there’s issues with certain players being “allowed” to be attacked on here, while the same comments about other guys are seen as “hater” comments.

Any negative comments regarding Bean and his “execution” are laughable in defense of Boqvist, Peeke, and yes Gavrikov.

 

[Viqsi]

Uh, well it’s almost as if Werenski is in a completely different tier of player and completely different situation as the other guys.

I look at Werenski the way people seem to look at Laine. I’d rather have Jones for the same money over both guys, but, the team is UNQUESTIONABLY better with Werenski, than they are without him.

I don’t think it’s as black and white or a fact that the team is better with Laine, ignoring potential return or not.

I’d give Laine’s opportunities BACK to Bjorkstrand and Bjorkstrand’s opportunities to Bemstrom/Texier/Marchenko. Trade or package Laine for a center or defenseman.

Who knows what would work or be better??

Also OMGZ what are you saying about Bean!?!? Why is this allowed!?!!

We’ve gone over this before in the past, there’s issues with certain players being “allowed” to be attacked on here, while the same comments about other guys are seen as “hater” comments.

Any negative comments regarding Bean and his “execution” are laughable in defense of Boqvist, Peeke, and yes Gavrikov.

I want Bean to work out too. I'm just not so sanguine.

 

[stevo61]

Im with CBJWerenski on this one. How many D dont even touch NHL ice at 21? I feel like people got their 1st impressions, see the warts at that age and just ready to write off his future.

Adam Fox 21. Roman Josi 21. Devon Toews 24. Slavin 21. Weegar 24. Pesce 21. Pulock 21. Pelech 22. These are names who recieved Norris votes last season (20/21) who started their NHL careers at age 21 or later. Lets give him a year or 2 before we consider him terrible.

Also Boqvist is listed at 6'0" 190lbs, I think hes got better size than most expect

 

[majormajor]

Im with CBJWerenski on this one. How many D dont even touch NHL ice at 21? I feel like people got their 1st impressions, see the warts at that age and just ready to write off his future.

Adam Fox 21. Roman Josi 21. Devon Toews 24. Slavin 21. Weegar 24. Pesce 21. Pulock 21. Pelech 22. These are names who recieved Norris votes last season (20/21) who started their NHL careers at age 21 or later. Lets give him a year or 2 before we consider him terrible.

Also Boqvist is listed at 6'0" 190lbs, I think hes got better size than most expect

For me it's not a static picture. I want to see glimpses of their high end. Boqvist had some hot shooting games but that was it. His puck movement out of the backend was never good. Some good passing but not much and never anything special. I also want to see them trying to improve on their weaknesses. Boqvist is still making the same defensive mistakes that some 13 year olds learn not to make.

As for his size, perhaps he's well marbled. At no point is he showing NHL caliber strength.

 

[stevo61]

For me it's not a static picture. I want to see glimpses of their high end. Boqvist had some hot shooting games but that was it. His puck movement out of the backend was never good. Some good passing but not much and never anything special. I also want to see them trying to improve on their weaknesses. Boqvist is still making the same defensive mistakes that some 13 year olds learn not to make.

As for his size, perhaps he's well marbled. At no point is he showing NHL caliber strength.

hes also 128 games into his NHL career. I believe you have referenced a games played number where defensemen hit their stride and I cant remember what it is but Im guessing its higher than 128. I dont know where his upside ultimately is but hes a guy im willing to give some time and hope he figures it out. Hopefully during exit interviews the coaches pointed him in a different direction for offseason training. Id be more willing to have this critical discussion after next season if he shows no growth in his areas of major weakness

 

[majormajor]

hes also 128 games into his NHL career. I believe you have referenced a games played number where defensemen hit their stride and I cant remember what it is but Im guessing its higher than 128. I dont know where his upside ultimately is but hes a guy im willing to give some time and hope he figures it out. Hopefully during exit interviews the coaches pointed him in a different direction for offseason training. Id be more willing to have this critical discussion after next season if he shows no growth in his areas of major weakness

I think 200 games is the most often mentioned number. For me though that's when the pieces you've seen glimpses of come together. I'm not seeing enough pieces with Boqvist. I think his core skillset is too narrow.

 

[KJ Dangler]

128 nhl games played… he’s 21 .. had 11g in 52 games this past season, in really his first season getting major minutes . Great signing

 

[makethesave]

I could be wrong on this, but I find it very coincidental that the Boqvist contract as structured was done prior to the two draft days when there is a frenzy of trading activity. I'm in the camp that it's an overpay based on goals scored ONLY. Defensively (and that is his position) leaves a lot to be desired. But he is well positioned to be a desired piece in a trade from a cost and team control standpoint. I actually wonder if he will be a Blue Jacket when training camp opens. Again, I could be wrong.

 

[DarkandStormy]

128 nhl games played… he’s 21 .. had 11g in 52 games this past season, in really his first season getting major minutes . Great signing

He shot 17.2% last year, which is unheard of for a defenseman.

He's probably not going to maintain that going forward, but if he can stay healthy (seems to be a big if right now in his career), he can anchor the 2nd unit PP and hopefully be responsible enough defensively to be trusted on the 2nd pair. Should be able to play 19-20 minutes a night.

 

[koteka]

I don’t know what Boqvist is. I feel like Chicago rushed him to the NHL. He turns 22 next month and has already played 3 years in the NHL. He doesn’t seem to understand defense. He needs more strength. But if he develops, in a couple of years he could be a key piece to the future. Or he could be someone we trade to a team that needs more scoring from their defense and could use a 2PP guy. I am fine with this contract. It is cheaper than I expected.

 

[pled]

even if he just keep playing the way he is 2.6m isn't particularly bad, the chance it's a bargain year 2/3 seem well worth it.

 

[CBJx614]

Boqvist will be the perfect opportunity to see how the org/Larsen are able to develop a player. He's still plenty young enough for the FO to mold him how they want. Let's wait to judge him until we're closer to the end of this deal.

 

[JacketFanInFL]

It's fine. We're not winning anything in the next couple of years. Let him develop and if he doesn't work out it's not a huge loss. There is upside. He has a lot of work to do.

 

[Youngguns80]

It's fine. We're not winning anything in the next couple of years. Let him develop and if he doesn't work out it's not a huge loss. There is upside. He has a lot of work to do.

He needs to be hitting the gym and working with a defensive specialist coach this off-season.

 

[thebus88]

128 nhl games played… he’s 21 .. had 11g in 52 games this past season, in really his first season getting major minutes . Great signing

He’s a defenseman.

Any comments on his defense??

 

[stevo61]

He’s a defenseman.

Any comments on his defense??

defense - work in progress
A lot like Bean's was when he came here. Carolina didnt have a spot for him and clearly didnt trust him to improve enough to take a spot and traded him for a 2nd. He is far from perfect but has shown a lot more than I expected him to as I was not a fan of him when he was drafted. It also took Bean until he was 23 to start putting it together. He was alright in a protected role at 22 but much better this past season

 

[Xoggz22]

I feel like very green players - Bean, Boqvist - were asked to grow on the fly in higher line-up match-ups. Not to mention forward play was average at best in defensive coverage and goalie play was decent.

With that said we saw Bean and Boqvist were not physical, puck watching and didn‘t read the plays quick enough. I feel another year will be telling but I do think we need someone to play higher in the line-up to shelter them somewhat. Both of their games showed some warts.

Thoughts?

First year playing in a man system was hard on everyone. I expect growth from each player with the same system in place. These guys need strength and experience too but system shock has an impact