Speculation: Carolina to trade for defenseman
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Lazyking
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How is it dumb exactly? Yes he's 20 years old but he's had two concussions and hasn't exactly come back from them playing the way he should be able to. Even if he's healthly the rest of his career, he needs to be more of a team player and score over 30 goals a season to be worth his contract.
You're willing to bet on that the next 10 years?
JStaal is on a 10-year contract not Skinner. Regardless, it's dumb because what he doesn't do well are skills that can be learned. What he does do well can't be taught. Again, he's 20 y/o and still developing and though he clearly needs to play a better team game, his attitude isn't in question. It's almost universally true (with the exception of Couture) that young high-skill F's like Skinner are far more advanced with the puck than without.
To me, it's a matter of expectations. He exceeded them by a huge extent as a rookie and some unrealistically expect a straight line upward growth curve. It doesn't work like that and being patient is the best approach.
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DougieSmash
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Yandle is one-dimensional offensive dman and nothing else. Phoenix should add here - start with Korpikoski.
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Lazyking
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I expect small improvements, not like giant leaps. He hasn't improved at all on defense and still does some things on offense that has been figured out. Yes he's not on a ten year contract but I would rather sell high then wait, pay him all this money only to either not fulfill his contract or turn into Eric Lindros.
I realize that with the talent on this team being as thin as it is, we kinda have to keep Skinner and hope but if we got a worthwhile offer, I'd listen.
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I wouldn't do that trade. Yandle's defensive issues are masked by playing in an ultra-defensive system for a team that nobody watches.
He doesn't even kill penalties.
He doesn't even kill penalties.
dogbazinho
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Making trades is like any other investment strategy. The key being buy low and sale high. It's stupid to trade Skinner at age 20 because you assume he'll be a better player in a few years. If we aren't competing for cups we might as well use our roster space to try to develop players so we can one day have a cup worthy team.
Now you're just trying to make an argument of convenience. You expect small improvements? C'mon. He has plenty of work to do to improve his D, but he has improved from his rookie year. He doesn't "cheat" as much (EStaal by the way hasn't stopped cheating), he seems to better understand the importance of backchecking though he still needs to do it more consistently, he has better awareness in the D zone in making the simple chip vs. the home-run pass the other way.
Still much to improve on but in my view your premise seems based more in taking an absolute stance than in reality.
tarheelhockey
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I don't know if I'd say that Skinner hasn't improved at all on defense. He has figured out how to get in on the forecheck and use his stick to create turnovers.
He's improved a little, he's just still in the category of "sucks".
He's improved a little, he's just still in the category of "sucks".
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Next year roster, as of now:
Tlusty- EStaal- Semin
Skinner- JStaal- Ruutu
Bowman- Nash- Dwyer
Welsh- ???- ???
Pitkanen- Faulk
Harrison- McBain
Gleason- Murphy
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No secondary scoring, bad group of PKilling forwards. Soft d.
Tlusty- EStaal- Semin
Skinner- JStaal- Ruutu
Bowman- Nash- Dwyer
Welsh- ???- ???
Pitkanen- Faulk
Harrison- McBain
Gleason- Murphy
Ward
No secondary scoring, bad group of PKilling forwards. Soft d.
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Not that I'm advocating trading Skinner, but he could easily fall into that Samsonov category. Young player comes into the league hot, wins Calder, injuries start to hamper him and he's traded well after his value has dropped because of said injuries.
Like it was already stated (either in this topic or another one), if he keeps setting himself up for disaster (ie: the OV hit last night), those concussions will keep coming.
Like it was already stated (either in this topic or another one), if he keeps setting himself up for disaster (ie: the OV hit last night), those concussions will keep coming.
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Well, he'll get about 5 months away from hockey to get the cobwebs cleared from his head...in a few more weeks.
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Are they that similar though? Bruins fans say that it was a wrist injury that really killed Samsonov's effectiveness. With Skinner, if he learns to change his game, concussions won't become that big of an issue.
One was a freak, unavoidable accident. The other is where the player can have a big part in minimizing the injuries.
One was a freak, unavoidable accident. The other is where the player can have a big part in minimizing the injuries.
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The key word there is "if" he learns to change his game. Two concussions apparently haven't knocked some sense in him, since he's still doing his best to earn his 3rd.
And I suppose it also depends on how he changes his game. Like Samsonov, Skinner's a smallish forward, shifty and skilled, but not great defensively and physically.
And I suppose it also depends on how he changes his game. Like Samsonov, Skinner's a smallish forward, shifty and skilled, but not great defensively and physically.
tarheelhockey
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They're similar in that they're both waterbug players who excelled during their early seasons due to pure skill.
If Skinner doesn't stop skating into hits, he is not long for an NHL career. It's becoming an undeniable pattern... nobody else on the team and few other players in the league set themselves up to get steamrolled the way he does.
