Carolina quartet or Toronto qaurtet

[centipede2233]

Your the GM of the Seattle kraken, and you get to inherit the contracts of either group. Factoring in contracts which 4 some do you build your new franchise around

keep in mind svech is coming off ELC and needs a new contract and trochek contract is up in a year.

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[DickSmehlik]

I think Toronto has the better higher end players but age and contract considerations, I like Carolina, as they will give more cap flexibility to acquire the other necessary pieces.

Don't get me wrong, I like Matthews and Marner, I think they are 2 great studs but I could do without Johnny T's contract and age, and Nylander doesn't move the needle much for me.

I don't know what to make of Trochek, but I'd be comfortable betting on the other 3 Carolina players going forward.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Matthews and Marner is the best duo, imo. But the Carolina quartet has no weak spots and obviously better contracts. Tavares’ age and contract would be a big concern. How many more elite years does he have left before that contract really impacts the cap and options for filling out the roster. Maybe one more?

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Carolina, Carolina, Carolina

The Leafs group has a lot of talent, but it’s a group that absolutely checks out when the going gets tough. These guys aren’t concerned about winning. Plus, it has 3 bad contracts and Nylander who’s pretty meh.

 

[Gurglesons]

Toronto easily. Matthews and Marner are on another level than Aho and Svech.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Matthews is ~$3.18 mil more expensive than Aho (same remaining term). Nylander is ~$1.52 mil more expensive than Teravainen (same remaining term).

Svechnikov is under team control for another 4 years. A contract of that length, which makes him a 25 year old UFA, would run $7 mil or so (Laine bridge + extra years - flat cap effect). Marner makes ~$3.9 mil more.

Tavares is $6.25 mil more expensive than Trocheck next season. If Trocheck keeps it up, he'll get a good raise on a long-term deal. Anywhere close to Tavares would be a surprise, however.

All total, the Canes' quartet would be ~$14.85 mil cheaper in 21-22. That number would still be 8 figures for 22-23 and beyond.

That's a lot of cap. You really have to value elite scoring to pay that premium for it.

 

[centipede2233]

Thought it was an interesting diverse poll. Also you only get matthews for 3 more years, and he would be the type to bolt to no tax sunny Las Vegas.

as another poster said above me, as a whole, the Toronto 4 some is not concerned with winning, just about how much they can fill their bank account.

 

[pb1300]

Love Marner and Matthews, don’t like JT and Nylander. Went with Toronto still, but I’m still torn.

 

[Svechhammer]

Building around in this current flat cap environment?

Carolina all day any day. So much more room to play so that you can fill out the roster with, say, an elite defensive core that allows the likes of Petr Mrazek, James Reimer, and Alex Nedeljkovic to cumulatively give up the 4th fewest goals in the league this season.

 

[centipede2233]

Since it’s my poll I’ll chime in. I take Carolina without hesitation. As the poster above me said, flat cap environment, cap flexibility is a massive asset.

 

[blueberrie]

Seems like a fairly obvious answer when you include cap in this flat cap environment.

 

[centipede2233]

Seems like a fairly obvious answer when you include cap in this flat cap environment.

Yes it does, however the poll as I write this is 36-22 in favour of Toronto....

 

[blueberrie]

It's also pretty amazing that you can leave this place for years come back and see the exact same posters first in all the Leafs thread to passionately argue for the other option.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Toronto's group is simply "better", all day, every day. Sure, they cost more, but they'll also give you more.

 

[bossram]

I'm both a Toronto and Carolina booster, so this is a fun question!

Matthews is the best player on this list, but I'd take the Carolina group given the flat cap environment and price control on the four.

Tavares and Marner are very good but overpaid. Marner is wildly overrated.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Yes it does, however the poll as I write this is 36-22 in favour of Toronto....

A lot more Toronto than Carolina fans on here. Take out the two fanbase and I think it’s a coin flip. Comes down to whether you prefer the better high end talent of Toronto vs the better all round group with better contracts of Carolina.

 

[kp61c]

Toronto, AINEC.

 

[LFCTML]

The contracts help it from being too lopsided, but I still take the Toronto group without thinking twice.

 

[jetsforever]

Toronto has better players, so them

 

[JaegerDice]

Carolina is the better team, but as far as high-end forwards, Toronto has the advantage.

 

[COHawk]

Carolina's squad costs less than half as much as Toronto. I'll take them.

 

[LaMasquerade]

Was going to vote TOR, but then I saw "factoring in contracts" and that changed my vote.

I mean with $43M vs $20M you can add pretty nice pieces to your defence etc. (of course Svechnikov won't be that cheap next season, but I think it will be around $7M for him, so the difference will still be some $15M).

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Matthews is the deal breaker here. He's levels above all 7 other players and hard not to go with that

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Carolina has a better team. Especially in playoffs.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'm both a Toronto and Carolina booster, so this is a fun question!

Matthews is the best player on this list, but I'd take the Carolina group given the flat cap environment and price control on the four.

Tavares and Marner are very good but overpaid. Marner is wildly overrated.

I honestly don't understand this view. The guy creates so much for his linemates almost every time he steps on the ice. Apart from being an average goal scorer, he's absolutely one of the elite point producers in hockey.