Proposal: Carolina - Montreal

[Baksfamous112]

Yeah we don’t need a 30+ point two way player. We have enough bottom 6 guys like that. We need an upgrade on McGinn for our top 6. Bean as a 21 year old commodity has way more value than a player like Lek who doesn’t move the needle for ya at all

So a 24 years old ~30-35 points two way forward doesn’t move the needle but a 21 years old AHL D is a commodity and does hold tons of value?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

So, McGinn > Brook/Romanov?

 

[dogbazinho]

So a 24 years old ~30-35 points two way forward doesn’t move the needle but a 21 years old AHL D is a commodity and does hold tons of value?

How about Josh Brook for Brock McGinn?

Edit: Above beat me!

 

[BLNY]

I don't know if it's the right move, but it is the right kind of move from a Montreal POV.

Leks is plain stymied. I think the only way he gets back to the level of goal production he showed in his first year is to move on. He's a versatile middle six player. He and Armia are not dissimilar players, but Joel has better hands. Plus, moving him out allows the club to push Byron back up the lineup.

 

[Baksfamous112]

So, McGinn > Brook/Romanov?

aside from the fact that Lehkonen is almost 2 years younger and Romanov is 19/Brook 20 and not 21, yes - I would put McGinn’s close or even a bit higher than Bean.

How about Josh Brook for Brock McGinn?

Edit: Above beat me!

Bean = 21 - Brook = 20
Lehkonen = 24 - McGinn 25 (turning 26 soon).

Not that big of a comparable but it’s close enough. I wouldn’t do the trade but I wouldn’t call Brook a hot commodity and I could certainly see McGinn being a needle mover in a trade, for sure.

 

[dogbazinho]

When McGinn scored 30 he was 24, maybe even 23. I certainly hope he moves the needle for someone. We're trying to upgrade on him which is why Lehkonen doesn't have as much value for us as you'd like. Please take McGinn.

 

[WreckingCrew]

The issue I have is while Bean is 21, he still hasn’t shown he can produce, let alone be an NHL caliber player on a daily basis. He may get there at some point but it’s still unknown. While Lehkonen might be a more known commodity, he’s still just turned 24 and is already a very well rounded two-way forward, an excellent forechecker who’s good for 30+ points a year.

Sorry, I must have missed the memo where D-men peak at 21 and should be in the NHL to have value. 13G - 44PTS is pretty pathetic for a rookie AHL d-man...

 

[Edgy]

The issue I have is while Bean is 21, he still hasn’t shown he can produce, let alone be an NHL caliber player on a daily basis. He may get there at some point but it’s still unknown. While Lehkonen might be a more known commodity, he’s still just turned 24 and is already a very well rounded two-way forward, an excellent forechecker who’s good for 30+ points a year.

I can’t say whether he makes sense for Carolina or not, but I can (and easily) say that Bean doesn’t get you Lehkonen unless he proves he can at least be an NHL regular.



You wouldn’t, I would. He’s a very useful player and we need him to be able to run 4 lines and play the style we want to play to be a competitive team.

He's a dime a dozen player, and no he's not very useful, he's serviceable. We aren't competitive precisely because our team is full of Lehkonens.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

So a 24 years old ~30-35 points two way forward doesn’t move the needle but a 21 years old AHL D is a commodity and does hold tons of value?

I guess that’s what I’m saying Brooksy...

 

[Lempo]

You had Aho like a six days and ruined him beyond repair. I fret to think how you have managed to **** up Lehkonen in three years. No sale.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I mean, we definitely wouldn't trade Bean for just a 2nd so no, it's not the most valuable piece of this deal. Bean's progressed just fine for the Canes.

why would we trade players with similar age but 1 is in the NHL since 3 years and the other one never broke the NHL ?

Nothing prove me that Bean will be a sure shot NHLer yet

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

How about Josh Brook for Brock McGinn?

Edit: Above beat me!

would do it, love Mcginn

 

[RationalExpectations]

You had Aho like a six days and ruined him beyond repair. I fret to think how you have managed to **** up Lehkonen in three years. No sale.

I love the this one

I have never seen Bean play but hear he shows promise. I am not sure what the price would be but I am pretty sure CAR would really like Lehkonen. The issue with MTL is that he played last year with KK who was a Rookie center with great IQ but not playing the speed style Lehkonen likes.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The value is there, just not a lot for either side to get excited about. Canes fans/org are pretty invested in Bean's development curve at this point so it will feel disappointing if we cut bait to get a utility player. Doubt Montreal would want to give that 2nd for a guy who, while promising, isn't tracking to be a standout contributor. It's basically swapping a bottom-6 winger for a 50% chance of a 2nd pair dman. Kind of meh on both sides, therefore probably a fair trade.

 

[Baksfamous112]

The value is there, just not a lot for either side to get excited about. Canes fans/org are pretty invested in Bean's development curve at this point so it will feel disappointing if we cut bait to get a utility player. Doubt Montreal would want to give that 2nd for a guy who, while promising, isn't tracking to be a standout contributor. It's basically swapping a bottom-6 winger for a 50% chance of a 2nd pair dman. Kind of meh on both sides, therefore probably a fair trade.

A Bean for Lehkonen swap is fair value but that doesn’t mean it should be done

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

A Bean for Lehkonen swap is fair value but that doesn’t mean it should be done

Straight up it's not a fair trade for Carolina. With the 2nd in there the value is doable, but yeah, fit wise it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Straight up it's not a fair trade for Carolina. With the 2nd in there the value is doable, but yeah, fit wise it doesn't make a lot of sense.

fit wise it doesn’t make any sense for us either.

Mete is definitely better than Bean.
Kulak is better than Bean and is only 25 years old
We just signed Chiarot.
Romanov is coming over at the end of the season and is only 19 years old.

There is no way we can fit Mete (21), Bean (21) and Romanov (19) on the left side of the D in the next 1-2 years. It just doesn’t make any sense to have 3 (almost) teen on one side of the ice.

Bean is just another Mete/Romanov (which isn’t q negative - It’s actually very positive). Can’t see him being a top pairing guy though, I think he just doesn’t have the talent to be that so he’s not a fit for our (very hard to fill) top pairing need.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

There is no way we can fit Mete (21), Bean (21) and Romanov (19) on the left side of the D in the next 1-2 year

Actually, that would be good


Bean/petry
Mete/weber
Romanov/Fleury or Brook or Juulsen.

(1-2 years)
Our ld would be legit for our rd


Kulak and chiarot are more than disposable

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

fit wise it doesn’t make any sense for us either.

Mete is definitely better than Bean.
Kulak is better than Bean and is only 25 years old
We just signed Chiarot.
Romanov is coming over at the end of the season and is only 19 years old.

There is no way we can fit Mete (21), Bean (21) and Romanov (19) on the left side of the D in the next 1-2 years. It just doesn’t make any sense to have 3 (almost) teen on one side of the ice.

Bean is just another Mete/Romanov (which isn’t q negative - It’s actually very positive). Can’t see him being a top pairing guy though, I think he just doesn’t have the talent to be that so he’s not a fit for our (very hard to fill) top pairing need.

For sure I was saying it wasn't a fit wise for both sides.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Actually, that would be good


Bean/petry
Mete/weber
Romanov/Fleury or Brook or Juulsen.

(1-2 years)
Our ld would be legit for our rd


Kulak and chiarot are more than disposable

no it’s not. How can Bean play 1LHD when he’s not even NHL ready yet. Our LHD would be limit inexperienced and taken advantage off night in night out

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

no it’s not. How can Bean play 1LHD when he’s not even NHL ready yet. Our LHD would be limit inexperienced and taken advantage off night in night out

In 2 years bean will be ready

 

[Baksfamous112]

In 2 years bean will be ready

NHL ready? Yeah, most likely. I can’t see Bean becoming a legit top pairing guy. He just doesn’t have that ceiling

 

[Roboturner913]

Bean will score more points in the NHL than Lehkonen currently does and Bean is a d-man.

Pass. Hard pass.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Bean will score more points in the NHL than Lehkonen currently does and Bean is a d-man.

Pass. Hard pass.

Bean has an excellent hard pass

 

[Aavvaa]

I dont think GMs are so petty. If you can better your team you do it.

Dude Brian Burke wanted to rent a barn to fight Kevin Lowe over Dustin Penner.

NHL GM's are absurdly petty