Career: Pavel Datsyuk or Patrick Kane?

[SeanMoneyHands]

Who was better?

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[Dr Beinfest]

Better peaks? Kane. Better player overall? Maybe Datsyuk.

Better career? Hands down, Kane.

 

[Gurglesons]

Without question Patrick Kane.

Better peaks? Kane. Better player overall? Maybe Datsyuk.

Better career? Hands down, Kane.

How? Datsyuk was on powerhouse teams and his first Cup run was a top nine forward.

Kane was the best forward on three cup winners.

 

[hamzarocks]

Kane AINEC

 

[Beau Knows]

Kane for best career and best player.

 

[Rengorlex]

Datsyuk was easily more impactful, but don't expect HF to count defence.

 

[Candyman]

Cannot stand the guy, but he's better at hockey. Kane.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Without question Patrick Kane.



How? Datsyuk was on powerhouse teams and his first Cup run was a top nine forward.

Kane was the best forward on three cup winners.

Weirdly defensive post given you’re quoting someone who has minor disagreements with you, but ok.

It’s a bit weird that you are identifying Datsyuk as “top nine” and then Kane as “the best forward in three cup winners.” You appear to be picking convenient language there.

Datsyuk and Kane have had relatively equally productive careers and the older of the two gets the slight benefit in a dead offensive era. Datsyuk is the superior well-rounded player when considering defensive play. Kane has had the better peak. Kane is more decorated and has an extra cup. That is how my post came to its conclusions. Thank you.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Datsyuk maybe was more unique, but Kane had a better career.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Kane ainec

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Better career, Kane because of the hardwares.

But Kane's extra offensive contribution does not even come close to making up for Datsyuk's ridiculously better defensive play imo (especially considering Kane has been a complete liability in that regard for most of his career), so Datsyuk as the better player for me in his prime

 

[mapleleafslaughssame]

I’d say datysuk he had a shorter prime but his peak was better IMO.

Depends on the situation really for like a 3-5 year stretch give me datsyuk but from draft to end of career I’d take kane for my team. His durability is a big plus compared to datsyuks and considering how close they are skill wise is makes enough of a difference for me.

If you think about it datysuk is like a kane-toews hybrid

 

[Regal]

Dstsyuk was a late bloomer so I think Kane’s had the better career, but I do think Datsyuk was a more impactful player during his prime

 

[Gurglesons]

Kane beat a prime Sidney Crosby out for a Ross and Hart.

Weirdly defensive post given you’re quoting someone who has minor disagreements with you, but ok.

It’s a bit weird that you are identifying Datsyuk as “top nine” and then Kane as “the best forward in three cup winners.” You appear to be picking convenient language there.

Datsyuk and Kane have had relatively equally productive careers and the older of the two gets the slight benefit in a dead offensive era. Datsyuk is the superior well-rounded player when considering defensive play. Kane has had the better peak. Kane is more decorated and has an extra cup. That is how my post came to its conclusions. Thank you.

What was Datsyuk on the 2002 cup run?

Who was better than Kane in the three cup wins? Toews in 2010 you could argue but Kane was more consistent through every round and won the cup.

Better career, Kane because of the hardwares.

But Kane's extra offensive contribution does not even come close to making up for Datsyuk's ridiculously better defensive play imo (especially considering Kane has been a complete liability in that regard for most of his career), so Datsyuk as the better player for me in his prime

Datsyuk was never the best player in the league. Kane was.

 

[TotesTorts]

People taking Kane, I wonder if they’d also pick Ovi over Crosby.

Give me the better full-ice player any day of the week. Datsyuk.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

What was Datsyuk on the 2002 cup run?

Cool dude. What’s your point? What was Kane on the 2002 cup run? 14 years old, that’s what.

Your point makes literally zero sense whatsoever.

 

[mapleleafslaughssame]

Kane beat a prime Sidney Crosby out for a Ross and Hart.



What was Datsyuk on the 2002 cup run?

Who was better than Kane in the three cup wins? Toews in 2010 you could argue but Kane was more consistent through every round and won the cup.



Datsyuk was never the best player in the league. Kane was.

When do you think prime Crosby was lol

 

[La Bamba]

Patty Kane, not a hard choice for me

 

[SensontheRush]

Kane beat a prime Sidney Crosby out for a Ross and Hart.



What was Datsyuk on the 2002 cup run?

Who was better than Kane in the three cup wins? Toews in 2010 you could argue but Kane was more consistent through every round and won the cup.



Datsyuk was never the best player in the league. Kane was.

You certain that Datsyuk was never the best player in the league? When was Kane the best player in the league?

 

[Gurglesons]

You certain that Datsyuk was never the best player in the league? When was Kane the best player in the league?

15-16 when he swept every major award?

Cool dude. What’s your point? What was Kane on the 2002 cup run? 14 years old, that’s what.

Your point makes literally zero sense whatsoever.

Datsyuk entered the league as a 3rd / 4th liner.

Kane immediately was the foundational player on the Hawks dynasty. From the moment he joined the league the Hawks were immediately a contender.

Kane was a top line player in 3 cup runs. Datsyuk was in 2.

When do you think prime Crosby was lol

I mean, I’m a Penguins fan. Crosby was viewed as the best player in the league heading into 15-16. McDavid was entering the league but who would you take at the start of that season over Sid.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Datsyuk entered the league as a 3rd / 4th liner.

Kane immediately was the foundational player on the Hawks dynasty. From the moment he joined the league the Hawks were immediately a contender.

Kane was a top line player in 3 cup runs. Datsyuk was in 2.

Well shucks, by this logic, why even compare players? It’s obvious that Kane is better because he was a higher draft pick. Why didn’t we all think of that?! I guess we can take this logic and declare that Patrick Stefan was also in fact better than Pavel Datsyuk.

And yet you’re still failing to make your point. Great, Kane was more instrumental in his team winning not just two but three Stanley Cups. We agree. Better career. Now generally please tell me how that makes him a better player. By your logic, let’s ask an example question: is Nikolai Khabibulin a better player than Roberto Luongo?

 

[Gurglesons]

Well shucks, by this logic, why even compare players? It’s obvious that Kane is better because he was a higher draft pick. Why didn’t we all think of that?! I guess we can take this logic and declare that Patrick Stefan was also in fact better than Pavel Datsyuk.

And yet you’re still failing to make your point. Great, Kane was more instrumental in his team winning not just two but three Stanley Cups. We agree. Better career. Now generally please tell me how that makes him a better player. By your logic, let’s ask an example question: is Nikolai Khabibulin a better player than Roberto Luongo?

Kane has a Pearson, Art Ross and Hart.

Datsyuk has…….

I’m also confused what “draft placement” has to do with this conversation.

Datsyuk won cups on the two deepest teams to win cups since 2002.

If we are going to criticize someone for post season success relative to their team it is Dats. And that isn’t diminishing him as being a fantastic player. Just we are talking the greatest American forward to every play the game versus some guy who made fancy highlights and never won an individual award anyone cares about.

 

[North Cole]

People taking Kane, I wonder if they’d also pick Ovi over Crosby.

Give me the better full-ice player any day of the week. Datsyuk.

Career-wise, Ovi is a lot closer to Crosby than Datsyuk is to Kane, so the position isn't as indefensible.

 

[Gurglesons]

People taking Kane, I wonder if they’d also pick Ovi over Crosby.

Give me the better full-ice player any day of the week. Datsyuk.

It’s not comparable. Datsyuk never was the best player in the league. Kane was. On top of being the best forward on two cup winners.

Ovi has the argument over Sid given Ovi out competed Sid three years out of four to start their careers.

Datsyuk never out competed anyone.

 

[Video Nasty]

Kane has really distanced himself from a lot of players with how well he is playing in his 30s so far. Datsyuk was left behind awhile ago.