Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] D Tony DeAngelo signs with the Hurricanes (1 year, $1M)

[BB88]

Boring narrative. We paid Aho and Teravainen. The only other "top talent" we've had an opportunity to pay is Dougie, and for that contract amount it was a no brainer to let him walk.

You paid Aho when he got offer sheeted, had no problems with lowballing him before that.
The face of the franchise.

The 6.2Mx8 for Hamilton was a complete joke.

TT is not getting big time money, he’s getting top6 money.

Carolina had a great looking future but this offseason has put a major hit on it

 

[sbjnyc]

I liked ADA on the rangers and was sad he was fired. I'm a little surprised this is he best deal he could get, though. That said, it's his next deal that has the potential to blow up IMO. Hopefully he's learned from his past and can have a regular NHL career.

 

[beowulf]

I am just glad Bergevin didn't sign him as many thought he would with the need for some offence on the back end.

 

[Badko]

I do not wish him well in his hockey career. He shouldn’t be in the NHL.

Why not? What’s your problem with him?

 

[WreckingCrew]

You paid Aho when he got offer sheeted, had no problems with lowballing him before that.
The face of the franchise.

The 6.2Mx8 for Hamilton was a complete joke.

TT is not getting big time money, he’s getting top6 money.

Carolina had a great looking future but this offseason has put a major hit on it

Aho wasn't low-balled, the front office wanted TERM (8 yrs) and Aho wanted shorter term, neither side would budge, money wasn't the issue

6.2Mx8 for Hammy is a bogus # getting thrown around...all indications were we STARTED @ 6.5 (Krug) for negotiation purposes but were 7+ in later offers

Not sure what the problem is with TT, he signed a great contract for us and him?

You could say we low-balled Ned perhaps, but he's also fairly unproven and the FO wanted a more proven goalie

 

[ulf]

Talent wise…..best signing this year.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

so now you’re leaving my point out of the quote reply entirely lmao. seems like you really don’t want to answer that question!

you answer a question like this, by replying to it: yeah most alcoholics are abhorrent human beings. easily comparable!

What on earth are you talking about? I have acknowledged your examples several times.

Going from piece of crap character guy to good teammate is not Masterton worthy. Regardless if you think it is impressive or not. Do you disagree?

 

[And You Feel Shame]

How about you guys table this debate until he's actually a candidate for the Masterton?
There's a lot of miles between where he is now and any accolades. Let him try to resolve his on- and off-ice problems and see where we are at the end of next season.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I absolutely don't think merely playing without incident would be a situation that causes him to be a candidate for the Masterson, no.

However, his charitable endeavors with Wounded Warriors, youth hockey leagues and COVID relief in conjunction with a incident-less couple of seasons? Who's to say what the future holds.

Doubt charitable contributions would even be acknowledged, since the King Clancy is specifically about charity.

 

[SML2]

ADA should have went full Bobby Valentine, grew a moustache and claimed to be a UFA out of the KHL.

 

[BB88]

Aho wasn't low-balled, the front office wanted TERM (8 yrs) and Aho wanted shorter term, neither side would budge, money wasn't the issue

6.2Mx8 for Hammy is a bogus # getting thrown around...all indications were we STARTED @ 6.5 (Krug) for negotiation purposes but were 7+ in later offers

Not sure what the problem is with TT, he signed a great contract for us and him?

You could say we low-balled Ned perhaps, but he's also fairly unproven and the FO wanted a more proven goalie

There’s been too many rumours on lowballing their star players over the years.

Why do you say Hamilton rumours are bogus when even your own insiders say so?

It very much sounds like you either sign a steal or go away

 

[robes1]

this is quite an inflated ego you have. what does any of that have to do with a hockey player? who knew just by anonymously attacking a hockey player online and getting mad that he ever gets a contract again you were actually standing for decency justice and equity! you’re basically superman

I was replying to a comment made about people getting deep satisfaction from hurting never Trumpers, "woke" people, etc.

 

[Fordy]

What on earth are you talking about? I have acknowledged your examples several times.

god you're exhausting, you removed the whole paragraph from my post that was my actual question and point, don't pretend you don't know what i mean

Going from piece of crap character guy to good teammate is not Masterton worthy. Regardless if you think it is impressive or not. Do you disagree?

this reveals the entire mindset behind all of you

 

[Fordy]

I was replying to a comment about people getting deep satisfaction from hurting never Trumpers, "woke" people, etc.

and my point stands

 

[Fordy]

How about you guys table this debate until he's actually a candidate for the Masterton?
There's a lot of miles between where he is now and any accolades. Let him try to resolve his on- and off-ice problems and see where we are at the end of next season.

i was never talking about the masterton lol, as i've already informed him

 

[robes1]

and my point stands

You didn't really make any points at all.

 

[Fordy]

Trash.

Rooting more than anything that this is his last chance and ends up banished from the league within the first month of the season.

see you guys talk all day about "growth as a person" and fashion yourselves as empathetic people and yadda yadda, pay lip service to self improvement, but at the end of the day what you really want is to see people fail and suffer! who would benefit from this happening? literally no one, it would increase the negativity in the world!

 

[WreckingCrew]

There’s been too many rumours on lowballing their star players over the years.

Why do you say Hamilton rumours are bogus when even your own insiders say so?

It very much sounds like you either sign a steal or go away

Key word, "rumors"...just like the "rumors" we were interested in Virtanen. Show me the actual insider info

 

[Fordy]

You didn't really make any points at all.

when a point is strong enough, pretend you don't understand it. i see you

 

[SML2]

see you guys talk all day about "growth as a person" and fashion yourselves as empathetic people and yadda yadda, pay lip service to self improvement, but at the end of the day what you really want is to see people fail and suffer! who would benefit from this happening? literally no one, it would increase the negativity in the world!

Makes you wonder who the truly bad people are. Actually, it makes you see them clearly.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

god you're exhausting, you removed the whole paragraph from my post that was my actual question and point, don't pretend you don't know what i mean

No, I did not. Your accusation of "removing a whole paragraph" was quoting a post where I did no such thing.

Just to get back to your point, this is what you originally said:

jagr for sure, lehner, bobby ryan, ken daneyko

if the guy is truly as bad as you all say (the worst person ever in the league) and becomes a respected teammate, that should be worthy of praise. can't have it both ways, either he's so bad that turning his career and reputation around will be impressive, or he's not that bad and it wouldn't be remarkable

1. I clarified my position on the "self-imposed" classification (the original post tried to make that clear by directly bringing up DeAngelo's situation as a comparable)and explained why I do not find suffering and overcoming addiction to be in the same ballpark whatsoever, nor do I believe Jagr is a remotely worthwhile example to bring up in order to support your point.
2. I addressed the whole "worthy of praise" point already: doing something that may be worthy of praise is a far cry from what it takes to be a suitable Masterton candidate. Yes, if he is a good teammate and person then I'm glad that he was able to turn it around and he should get credit for changing into a better human being. That doesn't negate my point.

this reveals the entire mindset behind all of you

What a strange thing to say.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There’s been too many rumours on lowballing their star players over the years.

Why do you say Hamilton rumours are bogus when even your own insiders say so?

It very much sounds like you either sign a steal or go away

They're a cap team. Cap teams have to let talent go away at some point, because you can't just keep giving guys raises when there's no space left.

"Carolina has a problem paying for top talent" is true in the sense that the front office is definitely not going to overpay one or two guys at the cost of the entire rest of the roster. That has burned a whole bunch of teams and is not a smart way to do business in a modern salary-capped league. You're better off letting a star go and maintaining your salary structure than going all-in on a bloated contract.

Source: the team whose logo you're using in your avatar

 

[Holy Slapshot]

Absolite steal at this price and master move from Carolina... GMs who weren't courageous enough to raise it and get roasted by some media so rather overpaid somone else will feel sorry soon.

 

[bleedgreen]

There’s been too many rumours on lowballing their star players over the years.

Why do you say Hamilton rumours are bogus when even your own insiders say so?

It very much sounds like you either sign a steal or go away

Canes fans have seen two sets of numbers, one from our own Athletic writer and someone else tweeted something that was more of a league wide reporter. We have some struggles with our own writer for a variety of reasons. What it’s coming down to on the Canes board is that people want to believe the bigger number because they want to believe Dougie left because he’s all about the money, and not because we went at him with an embarrassing number. Truth is, the numbers presented are pretty different and none of us know what the Canes final offer really was. Canes fans want to assume something fair and everyone who wants to hate on the Canes wants to assume it was peanuts. Which it might have been. We just don’t know.

 

[BB88]

They're a cap team. Cap teams have to let talent go away at some point, because you can't just keep giving guys raises when there's no space left.

"Carolina has a problem paying for top talent" is true in the sense that the front office is definitely not going to overpay one or two guys at the cost of the entire rest of the roster. That has burned a whole bunch of teams and is not a smart way to do business in a modern salary-capped league. You're better off letting a star go and maintaining your salary structure than going all-in on a bloated contract.

Source: the team whose logo you're using in your avatar

I’m not saying overpay but please pay even market value.
8x6.2M is not even trying and I remember all that 7.x talk with Aho when Toronto kids were getting +4M on that with midd term deals.
Ahos rumoured start was somewhere in the 9.x which was very modest starting point

You keep your core guys, franchise guys and don’t overpay your depth players.

Aho/Scev/Necas/TT/Jarvis

Slavin/Pesce/Hamilton.

You keep that and you can walk to the locker room every year and say to the players our goal is the Cup.

Hamilton leaving leaves a huge hole.

Again you pay your star players when they are in their prime.

Hamilton+ Ned over what they now did