Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Carolina to Match MTL's Offer Sheet for Sebastian Aho (5 years, $8.454M AAV) - Pt. 4

[MaxDummy]

Does what she's saying matter then?

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[waffledave]

They're only barred from signing for 7 days, doesn't mean they can't come to terms with free agents in the mean time.

They aren't barred from anything, they have mountains of cap space. They can sign someone for $10mil today and it wouldn't change anything, even if the Canes decided not to match. In any case, if the Canes will 100% no doubt match, I don't see how this changes anything for Montreal, the can just continue on assuming Aho's cap hit won't be there.

 

[Montrealer]

The image of a bunch of team executives hooting and high-fiving in a boardroom is pretty funny, to be honest.

 

[joe dirte]

7 days is not a summer.



So it doesn't hurt to try.

Now let's wait for the Canes GM to match.

You can wait all you like.

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

They lose the ability to really go after free agents until the offer sheet is matched or not. Maybe they wouldn't have anyway, but that is something negative to consider.

But who were we going to go after? not a chance in hell of us landing any of the top ufa’s. If theres one positive out of this offersheet its that it handcuffs Bergevin for a week. We dont have to worry about him throwing money at 3rd tier ufas.

 

[Montrealer]

They aren't barred from anything, they have mountains of cap space. They can sign someone for $10mil today and it wouldn't change anything, even if the Canes decided not to match. In any case, if the Canes will 100% no doubt match, I don't see how this changes anything for Montreal, the can just continue on assuming Aho's cap hit won't be there.

Exactly. What's the worst that could happen, Aho doesn't get matched? OH NO! Again, I say this as someone who also is basically 100% certain he'll get matched.

 

[Merrrlin]

Matched with a thank you card to MB in the mail...

 

[NORiculous]

They lose the ability to really go after free agents until the offer sheet is matched or not. Maybe they wouldn't have anyway, but that is something negative to consider.

No they don’t since they can use the 10% summer bonus and still have lots of room. That was the point of the Shaw trade.

 

[Tryamw]

Well Can't say there isn't an exciting thread

6 more days of this circus... (and no not Monty Python's Flying one)

 

[Montrealer]

As a Habs fan, I can definitely say this news on July 1, as inconsequential as it will in all likelihood end up being, was far preferable to signing Lee for $8M AAV, for example. By far. There are far worse July 1s we could have gone through.

 

[tarheelhockey]

No they don’t since they can use the 10% summer bonus and still have lots of room. That was the point of the Shaw trade.

How's he going to go sign a major free agent if he doesn't know what's happening with the Aho offer sheet?

 

[waffledave]

Maybe (and likely) not. But it's only going to take one if these deals to start triggering everyone else's. Ahos new deal is going to be used as a barometer for the other agents and teams in negotiations. Its unlikely that ALL of them are signed, but saying none of them signed is pure speculation, just like the idea that Aho doesnt want to play in Carolina.

If I am an RFA right now I wait and see what happens. Most of these young guys want to get to UFA as soon as possible and this situation gives them huge leverage to be able to get that kind of contract. I don't think any team out there wants to pay a big cap hit for a shorter term contract that brings a star to UFA right away.

 

[DRW204]

Yeah im sure he wanted a deaL that went in to UFA years. So instead he gets shorter term at lower cap hit. Im sure he would have preferred longer but its not a big deal.

Again, as i said, its an easy match and the habs wont get anything out of it.

Waddell's final offer was apparently 8 x~7.5M, so lower cap hit than MTL's OS and with additional UFA years bought. Doesn't sound like Waddell offered a 5-year deal which is what Aho coveted, along with the Signing Bonuses of course. Carolina doesn't sign players with substantial SB as seen in their CapFriendly page.

 

[Montrealer]

How's he going to go sign a major free agent if he doesn't know what's happening with the Aho offer sheet?

Again, what's the worst that happens? He gets Aho and then has to dump salary because he signed someone else in the interim? That's a nice problem to have!

 

[Field of Dreams]

Open season on Montreal RFAs coming up. Bargain Bin will be in for world of pain over some weak offer sheet, sad!

 

[alg363636]

Question - can you trade the rights of an RFA that has signed an offersheet? Not that I think it will happen but could Carolina theoretically trade Aho to a team that could match the signing bonus for a greater price than the offersheet compensation? Again I don't think it would happen but that would be genius if you could.

I gotta say I like this move from MB- a lot. Really smart. Perfect structure, perfect cap hit, perfect length. Montreal has no issue with the signing bonus. In the end Carolina will match and probably just be annoyed but it's right at the edge of making them think about it but the compensation is too low.

Gotta think if/when Carolina matches MB turns around and offersheets Point for ~10.4 AAV (not sure what Point's contract length desires are). Point is worth 2 firsts and MTL would probably have relatively low firsts with a legit #1C like Point. Tampa also probably matches but that really pushes their cap and messes with their internal cap structure.

As an outsider I am loving this.

 

[Tryamw]

As a Habs fan, I can definitely say this news on July 1, as inconsequential as it will in all likelihood end up being, was far preferable to signing Lee for $8M AAV, for example. By far. There are far worse July 1s we could have gone through.

How so? If the Canes match and I expect they will you now have less pieces to go after... It was a choice but unless you get a player you haven't gained squat other then a Owner that's probably not going to be happy with what you all did. (Not saying that may not be beneficial but I doubt it..)

 

[tarheelhockey]

Again, what's the worst that happens? He gets Aho and then has to dump salary because he signed someone else in the interim? That's a nice problem to have!

It’s not a nice problem to have at all. You’re just going to start slashing away at the roster so you don’t violate the cap? That’s what happened to the Blackhawks and it destroyed a dynasty team, let alone whatever the Habs are right now.

 

[BatVader]

HF is gonna implode if the Canes don’t match.

 

[Montrealer]

Open season on Montreal RFAs coming up. Bargain Bin will be in for world of pain over some weak offer sheet, sad!

Which is basically the same situation as before, unless some teams get over-emotional and offer way too much and we end up with 4 1st rounders for a Top-6 talent or something stupid.

 

[DRW204]

Question - can you trade the rights of an RFA that has signed an offersheet? Not that I think it will happen but could Carolina theoretically trade Aho to a team that could match the signing bonus for a greater price than the offersheet compensation? Again I don't think it would happen but that would be genius if you could.

I gotta say I like this move from MB- a lot. Really smart. Perfect structure, perfect cap hit, perfect length. Montreal has no issue with the signing bonus. In the end Carolina will match and probably just be annoyed but it's right at the edge of making them think about it but the compensation is too low.

Gotta think if/when Carolina matches MB turns around and offersheets Point for ~10.4 AAV (not sure what Point's contract length desires are). Point is worth 2 firsts and MTL would probably have relatively low firsts with a legit #1C like Point. Tampa also probably matches but that really pushes their cap and messes with their internal cap structure.

As an outsider I am loving this.

no you cannot trade the player who signed an Offer Sheet

 

[Montrealer]

It’s not a nice problem to have at all. You’re just going to start slashing away at the roster so you don’t violate the cap? That’s what happened to the Blackhawks and it destroyed a dynasty team, let alone whatever the Habs are right now.

I guess. Since it's basically a certainty Aho gets matched, it's pretty long odds it would be a problem at all, right?

 

[waffledave]

How's he going to go sign a major free agent if he doesn't know what's happening with the Aho offer sheet?

He does know, they will match.

 

[TooManyHumans]

How's he going to go sign a major free agent if he doesn't know what's happening with the Aho offer sheet?

That's what I was thinking as well. But if they do have enough cap space to ignore whether the get Aho or not, then the only thing they lose while they wait to find out about Aho is the ability to offer sheet another player.

 

[Rockomax]

Question - can you trade the rights of an RFA that has signed an offersheet? Not that I think it will happen but could Carolina theoretically trade Aho to a team that could match the signing bonus for a greater price than the offersheet compensation? Again I don't think it would happen but that would be genius if you could.

I gotta say I like this move from MB- a lot. Really smart. Perfect structure, perfect cap hit, perfect length. Montreal has no issue with the signing bonus. In the end Carolina will match and probably just be annoyed but it's right at the edge of making them think about it but the compensation is too low.

Gotta think if/when Carolina matches MB turns around and offersheets Point for ~10.4 AAV (not sure what Point's contract length desires are). Point is worth 2 firsts and MTL would probably have relatively low firsts with a legit #1C like Point. Tampa also probably matches but that really pushes their cap and messes with their internal cap structure.

As an outsider I am loving this.

Carolina can't trade his rights. If they match, and they will, they also can't trade Aho for a full year.