Post-Game Talk: Caps @ Rangers - January 9

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As frustrated as I am, the Rangers played a good game. If the Rangers cover Backstrom in those final seconds, they win this game. However, the Caps are a great, great team. It showed all game consistently.

I love Hank, but he has sucked the past few games. I know people will say "he's sucked the last 20 games", but the defense was brutal. The D isn't brutal anymore and he's not making the saves Hank makes. It appears he has zero confidence in his game.
 

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I will do a shift by shift analysis of Girardi's play to back up my opinion, for the poster who asked. The replay is only two hours, so some shifts might not be included.

First Period:

20:00-Puck race between Girardi and Ovechkin to a puck behind rangers net, Girardi gets to it first but it takes a funny bounce when it lands, catching Girardi off guard and Ovi takes it. Rangers had good team d to quickly stifle him. Nothing comes of it, no shots, no chances, no puck possession.

17:00-Nothing happened, no real defending to do, didn't touch the puck

13:30-Completed pass by Girardi around the boards to a forward who proceeds to make a bad pass up the middle that is intercepted and Washington gains possession. Once they gain the zone, Ovi plays NHL 16 mode, skates around the Rangers zone before shooting, Girardi blocks the shot, Backstrom collects the puck and fires it back on goal. Some puck possession, but no real dangerous chances. At the end of his shift, Girardi makes a nice pass to clear the zone, after Washington's puck possession.

10:30-Not really involved in the play much early in the shift, bats a puck that was in the air into the Caps zone. Not much else on this shift.

0:30 on PK-FO won by Moore to start PK, McD with a pass around the net to Girardi who clears. Later in the shift, McD throws a pass behind Girardi near the net, Hank steers it back on track towards Girardi's skating path, he has time and space, attempts a pass to Moore, Ovi reads the play, and puts it in the empty net.

2nd Period:

20:00-Not really involved much early in the shift, but pinches well to keep the puck in the zone after a Nash chance creates zone time for Rangers, has a shot/pass deflected out for a FO on his pinch. Later in the shift, he has a nice give and go with Miller in the Caps zone, before he vacates his point spot and goes behind the net, tries a creative behind the back pass on net, good idea but no one's there and Holtby steers it away.

17:00-Comes on at the final seconds of one of our PP's, Zucc had a breakaway after bad Caps defense, but one of their defenseman makes a good play coming back, Rangers retain possession, Hayes collects the puck, sees Girardi at the right point, and at this point the play is in a scramble, no one on the left side of the ice besides Brassard, Girardi sends a pass right over to him as soon as he receives the Hayes pass, Brassard has a good opportunity to attempt a shot but does too much and eventually just decides to hold onto the puck. Later in the shift he clears a shot attempt that Hank couldn't control, and then retrieves the puck by beating a Caps player to it, makes a quick pass to a forward who clears the zone zone. Towards the end of the shift, its still an up and down shift, players out of position everywhere, we have the puck in their zone, Zucc and Glass are in front of the net, Brass and Girardi covering the points, McDonagh tries to make a move on a Caps player, and can only get off a bad shot that doesn't even go towards goal instead to the boards the other side. It careens around the boards to the Caps LW. At this point, Brass is changing, Zucc and Glass are in front of the Caps net, McDonagh has fallen down, Girardi is guarding against the Caps player who has retrieved the puck and is coming up his side. He retreats as he should, knowing it should be a 3-3 or at worst 2-3, but its really a 1-3 since the Brass change doesn't allow the player coming on to be in the play and Glass is slow on the back check. Once he realizes the situation, he slides to try and disrupt the pass from Schmidt to Williams, but can't get it. Williams he scores against Hank.

8:00-Early in his shift he has a pass to a forward who clears our zone. Later in the shift, he has a quick pass to Nash in the offensive zone, but Nash makes a bad pass to no one out of a scrum in a corner.

5:00- Nothing happened on this shift

1:15-Covering a forward who has his back to the Rangers net, is 30 feet away from the Rangers net but beats Girardi to a tip on a long pass that allows the play to not be a turnover or icing, it goes into our zone and no Caps are near Hank so he plays the puck to Miller who skates it out of the zone.

3rd Period:

20:00-Off the opening face-off of the period he gets the puck in our own zone, simple pass to the forward on his side in the neutral zone. Later in the shift, there is a scrum in our zone, Girardi kicks the puck to get it out of the scrum but it comes to a Caps defenseman at the point who chips the puck off a Rangers forward who's standing in the center of the ice, Girardi reacts quickly and is the first player to the puck, clears the zone.

17:30-Nothing happened early in the shift. He has a simple pass in the neutral zone, and after we gain possession in their zone, two times during this sequence he has nice pinches to keep the puck in their zone, and let us retain possession of the puck.

14:00- After a Caps player breaks up a pass near the point in their zone from one of our forwards or LHD, sorry, not sure which one, the Caps have a bit of an odd man rush, Ovi takes the puck on the wing, goes wide towards our zone, dangles with the puck, tries to get Girardi to bite, but he doesn't, Girardi instead picks his pocket and takes the puck, Rangers clear the zone.

12:15 on PK-Hank makes a save that he knocks out towards Girardi, but the shot that Hank shoveled towards Girardi either catches Girardi off guard or he fumbles it, probably a combination of both, and he knocks the puck to the corner, Rangers lose a scrum in the corner and the sequence continues in the Rangers zone. Later in the shift, he wins a battle to a lose puck and attempts a very tough clear, gets some of it up the boards, but we didn't have anyone near the boards and Washington keeps it in the zone. Sequence amounts to nothing, no real good chances, just a lot of Washington possession in our zone on their PP.

10:45-Towards the end of the PK, on Girardi's second shift of this PK, the Rangers have possession, defenseman playing keep away. Girardi lifts the puck high into the Caps zone to let the forwards change. The next time back down the ice by the Caps, McDonagh and one of the forwards get beat on a give and go by Kuznetsov and Williams, they are both out of position, Girardi makes it seem like he's about to slide to block Williams lane at a shot, which forces Williams to just hold onto the puck instead of taking attempting a decent shot. The Rangers immediately take the puck away from Williams, rush back down the ice and score the game tying goal.

9:30-Girardi clears our zone under no pressure and makes a nice outlet pass to a forward up the right wing.

6:50-Girardi Steps on the ice just as Yandle takes a shot that Stalberg deflects in. Did nothing on the play, but should help his +/-. Caps win the face-off right after the goal, play the puck into the Rangers zone, tough hop with the puck for Girardi, he chips it to an open teammate who should be able to easily clear the zone, but plays it out of play. On the next face-off since the forward couldn't clear the zone, McDonagh plays the puck over to Girardi who has a lot of time and space but he plays the puck right off Ovechkin for takes it, is by Girardi, beats McDonagh, goes to the net but didn't seem to have control of the puck. Later in the shift, Girardi blocks a shot. Even later in the shift, he is positioned well to get his stick in the passing lane to break up a pass to the point. Towards the end of the shift, Backstrom is trying to get away from Girardi with the puck, but Girardi stays with him, picks his pocket and clears the zone.

4:10-Nothing happened on this shift

1:45-We win a face-off, Girardi chips the puck down the ice. The Caps empty their net, put an extra skater on, they get into the Rangers zone, pass the puck around nicely. Kuznetsov from the side of the goal tries to pass it in front of the goal, but Girardi blocks the pass with his stick. Later in the shift, Ovechkin takes a shot that Girardi's tries to block but he misses, Hank saves it easily, but gives up a rebound that Girardi alertly swats away.

Summary: I counted 19 shifts, and about four bad ones (first shift of the game where he can't control a bad bouncing puck, the pass to Ovi, can't control a shot that Hank steers in his direction that results in zone time for Caps, and the shift where he tried to make a pass but it hit Ovi, although he kind of beasted the rest of that shift, making at least three nice defensive plays in our zone). He had probably about ten nice plays, nothing incredibly significant, a number of shifts where he wasn't really involved in the play, and he had the gaffe on the Ovechkin goal. Maybe someone else can re-watch the game and give a different type of commentary, but other than two or three misplayed pucks that result in no quality chances and the gaffe on the Ovi goal, he had an average game where he wasn't very notable.
 

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Like I said, I will do a shift by shift analysis of Girardi's play to back up my opinion, for the poster who asked. The replay is only two hours, so some shifts might not be included.

First Period:

20:00-Puck race between Girardi and Ovechkin to a puck behind rangers net, Girardi gets to it first but it takes a funny bounce when it lands, catching Girardi off guard and Ovi takes it. Rangers had good team d to quickly stifle him. Nothing comes of it, no shots, no chances, no puck possession.

17:00-Nothing happened, no real defending to do, didn't touch the puck

13:30-Completed pass by Girardi around the boards to a forward who proceeds to make a bad pass up the middle that is intercepted and Washington gains possession. Once they gain the zone, Ovi plays NHL 16 mode, skates around the Rangers zone before shooting, Girardi blocks the shot, Backstrom collects the puck and fires it back on goal. Some puck possession, but no real dangerous chances. At the end of his shift, Girardi makes a nice pass to clear the zone, after Washington's puck possession.

10:30-Not really involved in the play much early in the shift, bats a puck that was in the air into the Caps zone. Not much else on this shift.

0:30 on PK-FO won by Moore to start PK, McD with a pass around the net to Girardi who clears. Later in the shift, McD throws a pass behind Girardi near the net, Hank steers it back on track towards Girardi's skating path, he has time and space, attempts a pass to Moore, Ovi reads the play, and puts it in the empty net.

2nd Period:

20:00-Not really involved much early in the shift, but pinches well to keep the puck in the zone after a Nash chance creates zone time for Rangers, has a shot/pass deflected out for a FO on his pinch. Later in the shift, he has a nice give and go with Miller in the Caps zone, before he vacates his point spot and goes behind the net, tries a creative behind the back pass on net, good idea but no one's there and Holtby steers it away.

17:00-Comes on at the final seconds of one of our PP's, Zucc had a breakaway after bad Caps defense, but one of their defenseman makes a good play coming back, Rangers retain possession, Hayes collects the puck, sees Girardi at the right point, and at this point the play is in a scramble, no one on the left side of the ice besides Brassard, Girardi sends a pass right over to him as soon as he receives the Hayes pass, Brassard has a good opportunity to attempt a shot but does too much and eventually just decides to hold onto the puck. Later in the shift he clears a shot attempt that Hank couldn't control, and then retrieves the puck by beating a Caps player to it, makes a quick pass to a forward who clears the zone zone. Towards the end of the shift, its still an up and down shift, players out of position everywhere, we have the puck in their zone, Zucc and Glass are in front of the net, Brass and Girardi covering the points, McDonagh tries to make a move on a Caps player, and can only get off a bad shot that doesn't even go towards goal instead to the boards the other side. It careens around the boards to the Caps LW. At this point, Brass is changing, Zucc and Glass are in front of the Caps net, McDonagh has fallen down, Girardi is guarding against the Caps player who has retrieved the puck and is coming up his side. He retreats as he should, knowing it should be a 3-3 or at worst 2-3, but its really a 1-3 since the Brass change doesn't allow the player coming on to be in the play and Glass is slow on the back check. Once he realizes the situation, he slides to try and disrupt the pass from Schmidt to Williams, but can't get it. Williams he scores against Hank.

8:00-Early in his shift he has a pass to a forward who clears our zone. Later in the shift, he has a quick pass to Nash in the offensive zone, but Nash makes a bad pass to no one out of a scrum in a corner.

5:00- Nothing happened on this shift

1:15-Covering a forward who has his back to the Rangers net, is 30 feet away from the Rangers net but beats Girardi to a tip on a long pass that allows the play to not be a turnover or icing, it goes into our zone and no Caps are near Hank so he plays the puck to Miller who skates it out of the zone.

3rd Period:

20:00-Off the opening face-off of the period he gets the puck in our own zone, simple pass to the forward on his side in the neutral zone. Later in the shift, there is a scrum in our zone, Girardi kicks the puck to get it out of the scrum but it comes to a Caps defenseman at the point who chips the puck off a Rangers forward who's standing in the center of the ice, Girardi reacts quickly and is the first player to the puck, clears the zone.

17:30-Nothing happened early in the shift. He has a simple pass in the neutral zone, and after we gain possession in their zone, two times during this sequence he has nice pinches to keep the puck in their zone, and let us retain possession of the puck.

14:00- After a Caps player breaks up a pass near the point in their zone from one of our forwards or LHD, sorry, not sure which one, the Caps have a bit of an odd man rush, Ovi takes the puck on the wing, goes wide towards our zone, dangles with the puck, tries to get Girardi to bite, but he doesn't, Girardi instead picks his pocket and takes the puck, Rangers clear the zone.

12:15 on PK-Hank makes a save that he knocks out towards Girardi, but the shot that Hank shoveled towards Girardi either catches Girardi off guard or he fumbles it, probably a combination of both, and he knocks the puck to the corner, Rangers lose a scrum in the corner and the sequence continues in the Rangers zone. Later in the shift, he wins a battle to a lose puck and attempts a very tough clear, gets some of it up the boards, but we didn't have anyone near the boards and Washington keeps it in the zone. Sequence amounts to nothing, no real good chances, just a lot of Washington possession in our zone on their PP.

10:45-Towards the end of the PK, on Girardi's second shift of this PK, the Rangers have possession, defenseman playing keep away. Girardi lifts the puck high into the Caps zone to let the forwards change. The next time back down the ice by the Caps, McDonagh and one of the forwards get beat on a give and go by Kuznetsov and Williams, they are both out of position, Girardi makes it seem like he's about to slide to block Williams lane at a shot, which forces Williams to just hold onto the puck instead of taking attempting a decent shot. The Rangers immediately take the puck away from Williams, rush back down the ice and score the game tying goal.

9:30-Girardi clears our zone under no pressure and makes a nice outlet pass to a forward up the right wing.

6:50-Girardi Steps on the ice just as Yandle takes a shot that Stalberg deflects in. Did nothing on the play, but should help his +/-. Caps win the face-off right after the goal, play the puck into the Rangers zone, tough hop with the puck for Girardi, he chips it to an open teammate who should be able to easily clear the zone, but plays it out of play. On the next face-off since the forward couldn't clear the zone, McDonagh plays the puck over to Girardi who has a lot of time and space but he plays the puck right off Ovechkin for takes it, is by Girardi, beats McDonagh, goes to the net but didn't seem to have control of the puck. Later in the shift, Girardi blocks a shot. Even later in the shift, he is positioned well to get his stick in the passing lane to break up a pass to the point. Towards the end of the shift, Backstrom is trying to get away from Girardi with the puck, but Girardi stays with him, picks his pocket and clears the zone.

4:10-Nothing happened on this shift

1:45-We win a face-off, Girardi chips the puck down the ice. The Caps empty their net, put an extra skater on, they get into the Rangers zone, pass the puck around nicely. Kuznetsov from the side of the goal tries to pass it in front of the goal, but Girardi blocks the pass with his stick. Later in the shift, Ovechkin takes a shot that Girardi's tries to block but he misses, Hank saves it easily, but gives up a rebound that Girardi alertly swats away.

Summary: I counted 19 shifts, and about four bad ones (first shift of the game where he can't control a bad bouncing puck, the pass to Ovi, can't control a shot that Hank steers in his direction that results in zone time for Caps, and the shift where he tried to make a pass but it hit Ovi, although he kind of beasted the rest of that shift, making at least three nice defensive plays in our zone). He had probably about ten nice plays, nothing incredibly significant, a number of shifts where he wasn't really involved in the play, and he had the gaffe on the Ovechkin goal. Maybe someone else can re-watch the game and give a different type of commentary, but other than two or three misplayed pucks that result in no quality chances and the gaffe on the Ovi goal, he had an average game where he wasn't very notable.

That's a lot of work, which is to be applauded, but it won't change anyone's mind. Even if he was perfect outside of that one play, that's an ECHL level play, being that much responsible for a goal, a goal that should never have happened pretty much makes the rest of his shifts moot. Also even if you forget that goal and think he played well, he has sucked this year. You and AV are the only people in the world that disagree. You're going by reputation not actual play.
 

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To me, it's not all mutually exclusive.

Hank is certainly not playing up to his standards.
Staal and Girardi are looking ever bit as bad as they were made out to be the previous two seasons.
Man d is still a suspect gameplan.
Numerous forwards constantly make defensive errors.
Stalberg and Glass are in the lineup. Depth problems (JG) and lineup probs (AV).

It's a big picture thing at this point. Consider me stumped.
 

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That's a lot of work, which is to be applauded, but it won't change anyone's mind. Even if he was perfect outside of that one play, that's an ECHL level play, being that much responsible for a goal, a goal that should never have happened pretty much makes the rest of his shifts moot. Also even if you forget that goal and think he played well, he has sucked this year. You and AV are the only people in the world that disagree. You're going by reputation not actual play.

Some posters did disagree when I said he had played well outside of that play, and I was asked to back up my opinion, as I did in that post. I'm not going to even argue the rest of your post, as we probably won't agree and its pretty pointless to even discuss. All I'll say is that I don't think people would have the same reaction if it was another player.

Also, re-watching the game strictly for analysis, I noticed a lot of terrible errors by other defenseman, mainly Klein and Boyle that would've been criticized for being terrible if Washington converted the chances off of those errors. I'm not saying any were nearly as bad though. If anything, re-watching the game for analysis instead of rooting for the team, besides that one goal, I noticed that Girardi had one of the quieter games for a defenseman of ours. Staal as well. McDonagh and Yandle had particularly good games, especially Yandle who I thought was excellent in transition. Boyle and Klein were consistently very bad throughout the game. Whether or not you want to say one error that results in a goal is worse than consistent bad play or overshadows a solid game otherwise, thats up to everyone else, but I wanted to present my argument.
 

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Some posters did disagree when I said he had played well outside of that play, and I was asked to back up my opinion, as I did in that post. I'm not going to even argue the rest of your post, as we probably won't agree and its pretty pointless to even discuss. All I'll say is that I don't think people would have the same reaction if it was another player.

Also, re-watching the game strictly for analysis, I noticed a lot of terrible errors by other defenseman, mainly Klein and Boyle that would've been criticized for being terrible if Washington converted the chances off of those errors. I'm not saying any were nearly as bad though. If anything, re-watching the game for analysis instead of rooting for the team, besides that one goal, I noticed that Girardi had one of the quieter games for a defenseman of ours. Staal as well. McDonagh and Yandle had particularly good games, especially Yandle who I thought was excellent in transition. Boyle and Klein were consistently very bad throughout the game. Whether or not you want to say one error that results in a goal is worse than consistent bad play or overshadows a solid game otherwise, thats up to everyone else, but I wanted to present my argument.

That's probably true but that comes with the territory of being a top pairing player (at least usually) that is awful.
 

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rofl hey we passed the Islanders. 2016 Rangers are hilarious... blow the game with 5 seconds left, move up to 2nd in the division.
 

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This team is tied for 3rd in the east in PPG, tied for 9th in PPG in the NHL, and 9th in goal differential. We did win the Presidents Trophy and were technically one of the four best teams in the league last season, but I don't think this team is that far behind schedule.

I'd like us to be the best team in the league in the regular season, but as long as we are there in the pack, and play our best in the playoffs, we could make a run at the cup. The Blackhawks were only the 7th best team in the NHL last regular season and they won the Cup. Patrick Sharp recently said that sometimes its hard for these veteran teams that know how to win in the playoffs to get motivated for all 82 games. Also, recently we've played pretty well, and are getting some bad results. Maybe this team will finally start to win more games that we deserve to win, and start putting up more points. We outplayed the best team in the east today after beating and outplaying the best team in the West the last game. I think this team is getting close to turning it around.
 

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This team is tied for 3rd in the east in PPG, tied for 9th in PPG in the NHL, and 9th in goal differential. We did win the Presidents Trophy and were technically one of the four best teams in the league last season, but I don't think this team is that far behind schedule.

I'd like us to be the best team in the league in the regular season, but as long as we are there in the pack, and play our best in the playoffs, we could make a run at the cup. The Blackhawks were only the 7th best team in the NHL last regular season and they won the Cup. Patrick Sharp recently said that sometimes its hard for these veteran teams that know how to win in the playoffs to get motivated for all 82 games. Also, recently we've played pretty well, and are getting some bad results. Maybe this team will finally start to win more games that we deserve to win, and start putting up more points. We outplayed the best team in the east today after beating and outplaying the best team in the West the last game. I think this team is getting close to turning it around.

I think we agree.

I'm going to have to screenshot this :laugh:
 

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Marc Staal had a helluva game, very impressing showing by him. Love to see that he is coming around.
 

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Watched the Hank post game.
He comes across as resigned, and increasingly frail mentally.¨
Also, calling out his coach publicly.. Ouch, bit of a DB move
 

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Watched the Hank post game.
He comes across as resigned, and increasingly frail mentally.¨
Also, calling out his coach publicly.. Ouch, bit of a DB move

Really seemed more like he was commenting on McD than AV to me after watching his interview. The interview was fairly tame imo.
 

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hehe yeah perhaps, but my boss calling me lazy is one thing. Me calling my boss
lazy would/should probably lead to some kind of consequence. as an example

Lol.. except lundqvist is the boss in New York... He could say he wants AV fired and I'm sure it happens. He is the organization and Dolan knows it. If he wants extra money for his Knicks he's going to need lundqvist to pull this team into the playoffs every year for more money
 

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2-3 years ago Ovie was one of the best goal scorers in the league, and still is. Kreider could never, and will never, be worthy of carrying his jockstrap.

Right before he found how to make his game excel, however exactly long before that was, he still had some goals, but his overall game was not good. Defensively indifferent to irresponsible, and not generating for others. The trade boards were all about Ovie deals, and nobody could take him, except as a cap dump.

If the academically gifted Kreider can get past various things that are interposing, he too, can turn around his game. Hell, our thinking man may be able to take a page or two from what Oive did, and contrast that with what's going on in Rangerstown.

Your hate is obvious.
Ovie is clearly the stronger, possibly the strongest of all.
Kreider remains strong enough.
strength edge Ovie

Ovie is a great power skater, if going straight ahead.
Kreids maybe not exactly skates circles around him otherwise, but close enough.
Ovie has more impact in a freight train scenario, but the less a full head of steam full on, the more Kreider's impact is more effective.
skating edge, Kreider

today ovie has edge in both technique and experience.
Bt Kreider can make these up.
 

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Ovie is explosive, but you cannot let that 4-3 goal be a goal. Very nicely done of course, but what a bad effort by the d man on the side, Ovie just skate by him, and the other guy just is rounded like a cone. Really tough situation for a goalie, when a frwd coming in like that and when screened by yr own guy too.
***!
 

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Ovi is an elite talent..his hands are 500x better than kreiders and his shoot is better both wrist snap and slap.

Stop comparing kreider to ovechkin it's no where close.. when ovi was "bad" he lead the league in goals or was close to it. Kreider hasn't even gotten near 30 goals
 

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Watched the Hank post game.
He comes across as resigned, and increasingly frail mentally.¨
Also, calling out his coach publicly.. Ouch, bit of a DB move

Hank is allowed to be human and let his frustration get the better of him.This great coach hoards timeouts like he cashes them out like unused sick days at retirement or something.

Plus the absolute garbage on fire in front of him that this "Man Defense" of Mister Vigneault consistently leads to untouched players setting up shop in the slot,the crease,top of circles with no Rangers in a dozen strides.
 

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That game had 3 components. All bad.

First girardi giveaway late taking the air out after a pretty decent period. We didn't score but we didn't suck either. That cough up was epic bad. And the timing was worse.

Second. Our inability to finish. As mush as girardi okay was bad, mcdonagh missed a chippy and that Stepan play was brutal. No urgency no ability to finish. That's more the problem than the defense was last night. We had that game on a platter.

Lastly. Hank. He's been pretty bad. The save % proves it. Awful.

Oh and that nash attempt to stop ovi was a joke. Apply the body and he prob doesn't score there. Weak. 8 mill weakness
 
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Mac n Gs

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I know I didn't just read Kreider compared to Ovechkin. Ovi had more points in his rookie season than Kreider has in his career.
 

offdacrossbar

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Right before he found how to make his game excel, however exactly long before that was, he still had some goals, but his overall game was not good. Defensively indifferent to irresponsible, and not generating for others. The trade boards were all about Ovie deals, and nobody could take him, except as a cap dump.

If the academically gifted Kreider can get past various things that are interposing, he too, can turn around his game. Hell, our thinking man may be able to take a page or two from what Oive did, and contrast that with what's going on in Rangerstown.

Your hate is obvious.
Ovie is clearly the stronger, possibly the strongest of all.
Kreider remains strong enough.
strength edge Ovie

Ovie is a great power skater, if going straight ahead.
Kreids maybe not exactly skates circles around him otherwise, but close enough.
Ovie has more impact in a freight train scenario, but the less a full head of steam full on, the more Kreider's impact is more effective.
skating edge, Kreider

today ovie has edge in both technique and experience.
Bt Kreider can make these up.


Wow.

I'm sorry. Kreider is no where near the same universe as ovi.
 

Mac n Gs

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Wow.

I'm sorry. Kreider is no where near the same universe as ovi.

Seriously. I like Kreider a lot, but Ovechkin is one of the best goal scorers EVER, and unlike Kreider, he actually has the balls to use his size and speed to make a difference.
 
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