Speculation: Caps Hockey General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) -- 2017-18 Regular Season Edition

Discussion in 'Washington Capitals' started by Sam Spade, Oct 12, 2017.

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  1. artilector

    artilector Registered User

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    Well, regarding hand-wringing, I think it's not a constructive way to characterize an argument -- I'll leave it at that.

    As to the main point... it's pretty simple:
    - Caps can't have any success without an effective bottom-6
    - right now, the bottom-6 is basically in disarray (except for Eller, who brings a factor of stability).
    - Trotz seems to have no clue as far as what to do about it -- wrinkles are not gonna help if the lines are haphazard. Yes, it's possible that he'll stumble into an effective (or even simply a potentially effective) lineup by chance, e.g. if injuries force his hand.
    - if anything, Trotz seems likely to go more conservative in a pinch, meaning featuring low-risk/low-reward players that simply get outskated/outclassed by top teams.

    That's just where the Caps are, IMO. Would you disagree? Do you think Trotz has a good bottom-6 blueprint for the Pens? If you do, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on what that might be. Honest questions.
     
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    "Transition" statistics mean absolutely nothing when it's that 1 goal lead crunch time. The other team is going to be have insane pressure no matter what. It's just the nature of the game. The fact that you attribute his face-off stats INSTEAD of the fact that he's our best shot (by a mile) to win that draw is hilarious.

    And you'd rather have 65 or 13 on the ice instead of Beagle because of their general possession stats? Completely asinine.
     
  3. g00n

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    Curious without getting too much into the deep talk about analytics value in general, and we can move there if necessary, but are any teams relying so heavily on these stats that they'd look at those numbers (the GAR for FOs vs overall) and conclude a guy like Beagle is costing them 2.25 goals all year and therefore must be removed?
     
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    The modern, speedy, capped NHL seems to scream ELC and younger player bottom 6 composition, imo. You just hope you draft/trade for the right guys who will outperform their contract and catch fire rather than shrink and play scared.

    Loading up on pluggers doesn't sound like such a great idea anymore.
     
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    As I mentioned in late lead protecting situations it makes sense to deploy Beagle to try to win the faceoff. The problem is Trotz uses him in the defensive zone in far more situations than late in games protecting a lead.

    And in general yes I’d prefer 65 or 13 on the ice over Beagle. They are both better players, again with the exception of specific circumstances like PKing and late lead protecting situations.
     
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    OvechkinTooth Tom Wilson is overpaid

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    Lemme make it clear: if Holtby plays bad in that game, the starter for the playoffs will be Grubauer and Holtby is legit done for this season. Therefore the question about his future on Caps pops up. I'd definitely would try to trade him.
     
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    Just who is this responding to?
     
  8. twabby

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    Obviously I have no idea if teams use GAR stats to make decisions, but I'm sure teams weigh face-offs vs. other aspects of a player's game to determine their worth even if it's more of a qualitative eye-test sort of analysis. Even with the Capitals you can point to David Steckel and Boyd Gordon as two exceptional face-off guys (better career FO% than Beagle in fact) that Capitals management moved on from because they were ineffective in other parts of the game. I'd say Beagle is a little better overall than these two were but probably not by much.
     
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    Just wondering. Though you might know. Thanks
     
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    Meet the secretive 23-year-old tasked with improving the Avs, Nuggets and other Kroenke properties – BSN Denver

    Dawson Sprigings had his own GAR/WAR stats and he now works for the Avalanche (and other franchises in different leagues). I'd imagine they are using his GAR/WAR work but I'm not sure to what extent.

    I also thought New Jersey, Tampa Bay, and a few other teams made some significant analytics hires recently but again I'm not sure if they are given a big seat at the table or if they marginalized like some analytics groups are (Montreal).
     
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    I wonder if "decisions" was the actual word used by gmbm. Big difference between that and "deals" or "announcements" etc
     
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    GMBM also said he is fine with PIT in round 1 but fans might "have a conniption".
     
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    Whether it's an announcement or a decision, even if the decision has been made, I can't think of a reason why GMBM would use the word "announcement" publicly at this time. gmspeak
     
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    Some Carly love for the Norris:
     
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    Does it matter? It's mostly twabby's Beagle hate that makes me SMH, but it generally applies.
     
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    Caps win game 1 (1:0)
    Holtby starts game 1
    Beagle scores the only goal of the game
    Trotz make some in game adjustment

    And this board will still complain.
     
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  22. RandyHolt

    RandyHolt Keep truckin'

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    If Barry deploys Beagle the same way he has and we bow out in round 2, is that when we call for a new approach. Trying something so simple shouldn't require a coaching change.

    He has had Beagle. Beagle is awesome. Maybe our top blood sweat and tears guy. But Barry has other players that can also help us win. There is no Beagle hate at all. I just hate when he plays injured for vast stretches and is clearly ineffective. And of course now he is injured. If he is ineffective in games 1 and 2, do lovers want Barry to play him no matter what the rest of series?

    Again. Hey, it's last call for Barry. But it's really the story of our playoffs. The vets vs the kids. The difference this year? We actually have young forwards to try. Our previous years? Our in house F depth was non existent. For seemingly a decade. Embarrassing. I have hope, evidenced by Grubby, of course.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Spoken like a true drama queen.
     
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    Ok let's get on this. Have we seen the Avs Devils Tampa and ? make what we collectively think are smart moves of late? I feel like we got looted for MJ but don't know GWAR.

    Avalanche and Devils are obviously better. Halls kicking ass. How'd they do it.

    Crazy band GWAR was.
     
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