Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2021 "Season" Pt. 2

[Capsman]

Im confused as to why Ovi at 12.5 is basically them dedicating next 5 years to his goal record? What's the magic number that will make you say they are committed to winning as opposed to they are committed to the goal scoring record?

And a follow up question. Have you ever negotiated a lower salary for the greater good of a company that you do not own?

Because we don't have the young talent in the system at this moment to compensate for losing higher priced talent. OV played well last night but it's clear he doesn't have the energy to play that way night in and night out. Right now the team is good enough that he can pick and choose which games to turn it on, but with a younger and cheaper team every game will need his max effort. Furthermore, as well as he played last night in the last 9 games he has 4 points. I would argue that he's lost a little in the finishing area, understandable at his age. I could see him being a 0.7 ppg guy the next 2-3 years without a consistent 200 ft game. Is that someone a winning team normally would give a new $12.5 million per year contract for? So clearly respect and getting him the record would have a huge role in that decision.

 

[Coldplay619]

$10.5 million is as high as I'm willing to go for Ovi.

 

[kicksavedave]

I never fully understand that rule, but i play around with the capfriendly expansion draft simulator and they know their stuff. Samsonov and Vanecek are both eligible to be taken, so I'll assume that is the case. Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Well I'm not an expert, I'm only repeating what I've read and highlighted how the '17 Vegas ED language differs from the '21 Seattle ED language (professional vs NHL). But I will say, that CapFriendly chart isn't even consistent with itself. It shows VRana as ineligible and Sammy as eligible, when both are RFA in 21. Vrana clearly has the required experience, Sammy either does or doesn't depending on "Professional vs NHL" experience. Vrana also easily meets the 27/54 requirement whereas neither Sammy nor Vanny meet that number. So there is still lots of confusing information out there about what we can expect.

 

[pman25]

Well I'm not an expert, I'm only repeating what I've read and highlighted how the '17 Vegas ED language differs from the '21 Seattle ED language (professional vs NHL). But I will say, that CapFriendly chart isn't even consistent with itself. It shows VRana as ineligible and Sammy as eligible, when both are RFA in 21. Vrana clearly has the required experience, Sammy either does or doesn't depending on "Professional vs NHL" experience. Vrana also easily meets the 27/54 requirement whereas neither Sammy nor Vanny meet that number. So there is still lots of confusing information out there about what we can expect.

I think you’re reading it wrong, they have a whole section for “exempt” players and Vrana is not listed there. He’s in the group of players that must be protected

 

[kicksavedave]

I think you’re reading it wrong, they have a whole section for “exempt” players and Vrana is not listed there. He’s in the group of players that must be protected

I see that whole list but it also says that players who are expected to meet the eligibility requirements are listed in green, and Sammy/Vanny are green but Vrana and Siegs are not. I'm obviously missing something there but again, if the requirement is for 2 years NHL experience then neither Sammy or Vanny would qualify for that.

 

[tenken00]

I see that whole list but it also says that players who are expected to meet the eligibility requirements are listed in green, and Sammy/Vanny are green but Vrana and Siegs are not. I'm obviously missing something there but again, if the requirement is for 2 years NHL experience then neither Sammy or Vanny would qualify for that.

I always thought it was 2 years professional experience, and not just NHL experience. I use capfriendly for most of my NHL transaction news and definitions and this is what they state:


Expansion Draft FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps.

First & Second Year Pros

All players who have accrued two or less professional seasons at the end of the 2020-21 season, as well as all unsigned draft choices appearing on the teams reserve list, will be exempt from the upcoming expansion draft.

 

[kicksavedave]

I always thought it was 2 years professional experience, and not just NHL experience. I use capfriendly for most of my NHL transaction news and definitions and this is what they state:


Expansion Draft FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps.

First & Second Year Pros

All players who have accrued two or less professional seasons at the end of the 2020-21 season, as well as all unsigned draft choices appearing on the teams reserve list, will be exempt from the upcoming expansion draft.

I know, I know. There are sites that say "Pro experience" and there are sites that say "NHL experience". The difference between the two wordings is Sammy and Vanny.

I may just DM Firedman, McKenzie or Dreger to get a straight answer here, as soon as I learn how Twitter works.

 

[kicksavedave]

This is from NHL.com, which I will consider the definitive source.

Seattle 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

 

[Raikkonen]

This is from NHL.com, which I will consider the definitive source.

Seattle 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed

This sounds like VV doesn't need protection

 

[kicksavedave]

This sounds like VV doesn't need protection

If the wording is accurate neither would Sammy.

 

[Raikkonen]

If they will dedicate next 5 yeaars to Ovi while playing like yesterday, still leading/winning metro, well, everyone will take it.

After some period of post covid bad plaay from 8-9-92 they look better. If they keep thaat - there is a good chance to go into ECF at leaast. You take it and run as a fan.

 

[Raikkonen]

If the wording is accurate neither would Sammy.

Yeah, but its enough to be only VV anyway. Thaat will dwarf this thread for weeks. Empty paages, you know

 

[Raikkonen]

If GMBM knew this all the way he should be very calm now. At least one is adequate for the time being and odds are both will be better next season.

 

[Ridley Simon]

This makes zero sense. Like less than zero.

Team has 14.17m in cap space next year. The FA’s are:
Ovy (UFA)
Vrana (RFA)
Sheary (UFA)
Chara (UFA)
Siegenthaler (RFA)
van Riemsdyk (UFA)

so even if Ovy take 12.5m. Let’s assume he does. That leaves 1.6m left. Sign both Chara and another vet (Sheary type) for the 1.6m.

Vrana and Siegs are RFA’s. They can’t just “leave”. TVR can leave (and prob will). So they have to find a way to trade Siegs, and find maybe 5m for Vrana (Seattle takes someone, and/or trade Panik/Jensen).

this is so overblown

 

[Raikkonen]

Vrana and Siegs are RFA’s. They can’t just “leave”. TVR can leave (and prob will). So they have to find a way to trade Siegs, and find maybe 5m for Vrana (Seattle takes someone, and/or trade Panik/Jensen).

That last part sounds like a plan. They need to dump Kempny, Jensen, Panik. Just because they have cheap alternatives (and potentially better long term).

Kuzy caant be dumped for cap. Only if he isnt plaaying good.

 

[g00n]

That last part sounds like a plan. They need to dump Kempny, Jensen, Panik. Just because they have cheap alternatives (and potentially better long term).

Kuzy caant be dumped for cap. Only if he isnt plaaying good.

How the hell can anyone tell??

 

[Kuznetsnow]

I'd pay the 12.5, this team won't really have anything going for it past Ovi for a while anyway. All the young players and upcoming prospects are lame as hell compared to him. Rather watch him loaf around the ice with a walker chasing the record than some boring version of San Jose east.

That said, he probably comes in around 10 to keep the team together. Free up cap by moving out Panik, Jensen, Kempny, Hagelin and Dillon (replace Dillon with Siegenthaler, yes Dillon is better now but that's a very organic replacement and the gap between them should close quickly by virtue of Siegs getting better and Dillon getting older)

8-92-77
Vrana-Backstrom-Wilson
McMichael-Eller-Sprong
AJF-Dowd-Hathaway

Siegenthaler Carlson
Orlov Alexeyev
Fehervary -Schultz

As the template to work with, probably leaves enough cap to upgrade multiple players.

Wish we could pull impact sub million dollar players out of our ass like Florida does with Marchessault and Verhaeghe

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

How the hell can anyone tell??

PPG delivery!

 

[Rayquaza64]

not a chance in hell ovi gets 12.5 at age 36

 

[Kuznetsnow]

not a chance in hell ovi gets 12.5 at age 36

That would be 4 years 50 million - nice round number. But he could probably be persuaded to do 5 - 50 front loaded so he doesn't lose much retiring on the last year of his contract if he chooses to do so

 

[pman25]

I see that whole list but it also says that players who are expected to meet the eligibility requirements are listed in green, and Sammy/Vanny are green but Vrana and Siegs are not. I'm obviously missing something there but again, if the requirement is for 2 years NHL experience then neither Sammy or Vanny would qualify for that.

The green just means that player meets the exposure requirements. Every team must expose two forwards and one defenseman who are under contract for 21/22 and have played 40+ games in the most recent season, or 70+ games in the last two seasons. Vrana and Siegs technically do no meet the exposure requirement since they do not yet have a contract for 21/22 BUT they are still eligible to be selected if they were left unprotected.

Caps will meet the exposure requirements no problem with Panik/Hagelin/Dowd at F, Jensen/Dillon at D, and Copley at G.

 

[Rayquaza64]

That would be 4 years 50 million - nice round number. But he could probably be persuaded to do 5 - 50 front loaded so he doesn't lose much retiring on the last year of his contract if he chooses to do so

that would also be a massive overpay

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

That would be 4 years 50 million - nice round number. But he could probably be persuaded to do 5 - 50 front loaded so he doesn't lose much retiring on the last year of his contract if he chooses to do so

That way he can skate off the ice and retire after #895. Lol.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

that would also be a massive overpay

It's Ovechkin

 

[txpd]

Because it's stupid gimmicky stadium that has a wall instead of a left field?