LeBrun: Capitals looking to improve their 3rd line

[Revelation]

2 2nds are not a 1st. IIRC Eller's issue was that he was used as a 1c 2c or 3c. He had no s0lid spot in the lineup. Its been said often that his success in DC is based on knowing that Backstrom and Kuzy are ahead of him. He knows where he slots.

But....ok. If you think the Caps are trading a 1st round pick for a 3rd line player. OK.

2 2nds is often the price to move up to a late 1st and deadline prices are higher than summer prices. Ferland or SImmonds isn't just a 3rd line player but a higher end player that can fit on the 3rd line and keep up the banging. Eller was much less proven when we got him and him figuring his shit out 2 years later has little to do with his price at the time. And what 3rd liner is even available for a 3rd? Even Brian boyle would cost a 2nd plus probably

 

[hb12xchamps]

If they’re gonna throw a first around I’d rather go for the biggest target they can get. So I guess I’m saying dangle a first and a D prospect around and see if that sniffs a Panarin rental deal. We have 5-6 solid D prospects to choose from

 

[txpd]

If they’re gonna throw a first around I’d rather go for the biggest target they can get. So I guess I’m saying dangle a first and a D prospect around and see if that sniffs a Panarin rental deal. We have 5-6 solid D prospects to choose from

Panarin is the wrong player. He disrupts the team on so many levels. Besides, Columbus would rather win a playoff series and spend the cap space Panarin amd Bob leave than trade for futures.

If the Caps were going to spend a 1st and an NHL ready prospect, Duchene is the guy if he doesn't extend in Ottawa

 

[hb12xchamps]

Panarin is the wrong player. He disrupts the team on so many levels. Besides, Columbus would rather win a playoff series and spend the cap space Panarin amd Bob leave than trade for futures.

If the Caps were going to spend a 1st and an NHL ready prospect, Duchene is the guy if he doesn't extend in Ottawa

Either way Burakovsky would have to be a part of the deal to make cap space work. I don’t see them moving anyone else that makes more money than he does. That alters the price a bit depending on how the acquiring team values Bura. Burakovsky plus a combo of a higher picks/prospects should be somewhat enticing

 

[Manhattan]

Burakovsky+pick for Dzingel.

Ottawa gets a RFA they can sign for less money, a body to skate and also add a pick - all instead of losing Dzingel for nothing.

Melnyk can re-label all the #65 jerseys and save some bucks...

Dzingel comes to a contender and fits like a glove.

Get it Done.

 

[StephenPeat]

True contenders?

Perhaps I should restate. Teams that consider themselves true-enough contenders that they’re willing to make a “Shattenkirk Trade.” I think the Lightning, Predators, and Penguins might be at that point based on recent playoff futility (TB and NSH) and desire to maximize core contributions (Pit). I hope the Caps aren’t in that group. I’d prefer a well-scouted “Kempny Trade” and that likely falls in-line with your assertion that the Caps won’t trade a 1st. If however, there is a well-scouted “Kessel-to-Pit” type trade for the Caps I’m all for it.

 

[txpd]

Perhaps I should restate. Teams that consider themselves true-enough contenders that they’re willing to make a “Shattenkirk Trade.” I think the Lightning, Predators, and Penguins might be at that point based on recent playoff futility (TB and NSH) and desire to maximize core contributions (Pit). I hope the Caps aren’t in that group. I’d prefer a well-scouted “Kempny Trade” and that likely falls in-line with your assertion that the Caps won’t trade a 1st. If however, there is a well-scouted “Kessel-to-Pit” type trade for the Caps I’m all for it.

Ok...I just think any suggestion that the Capitals are not a serious contender is wrong. The Caps have all the star power they need. They don't need a player that would require a 1st round pick to buy. The current losing streak not withstanding. What they need more than anything are their primary players as a group to step back to their games. With Wilson and Vrana stepping their games up a level and Seigenthaler establishing as a solid 7 behind Djoos the team has solid depth. Niskanen, Orlov, Eller and mostly Kuzy need to get serious again. They have two holes.

1. Burakovsky's spot needs filled next to Eller. 2. The Caps need a bottom six preferably right handed face off guy that can play. The absence of Beagle is killing them in that area of the lineup. They wont win being the last place face off team in the league

 

[Shagged Yer Nan]

Ok...I just think any suggestion that the Capitals are not a serious contender is wrong. The Caps have all the star power they need. They don't need a player that would require a 1st round pick to buy. The current losing streak not withstanding. What they need more than anything are their primary players as a group to step back to their games. With Wilson and Vrana stepping their games up a level and Seigenthaler establishing as a solid 7 behind Djoos the team has solid depth. Niskanen, Orlov, Eller and mostly Kuzy need to get serious again. They have two holes.

1. Burakovsky's spot needs filled next to Eller. 2. The Caps need a bottom six preferably right handed face off guy that can play. The absence of Beagle is killing them in that area of the lineup. They wont win being the last place face off team in the league

This man gets it. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[sdf]

Ovechkin basicly should play there

 

[Revelation]

I'd be all for bringing Beagle back if Vancouver retained a mil or so

 

[StephenPeat]

Ok...I just think any suggestion that the Capitals are not a serious contender is wrong. The Caps have all the star power they need. They don't need a player that would require a 1st round pick to buy. The current losing streak not withstanding. What they need more than anything are their primary players as a group to step back to their games. With Wilson and Vrana stepping their games up a level and Seigenthaler establishing as a solid 7 behind Djoos the team has solid depth. Niskanen, Orlov, Eller and mostly Kuzy need to get serious again. They have two holes.

1. Burakovsky's spot needs filled next to Eller. 2. The Caps need a bottom six preferably right handed face off guy that can play. The absence of Beagle is killing them in that area of the lineup. They wont win being the last place face off team in the league

Among those teams (Wsh, Nsh, Pit, TB) truly contending is not a matter of skill it’s a matter of will. I agree 100% with the face off specialist comment but I think that’s a symptom of the other group cohesion issue you allude to. Face offs are a skill but a blue-collar one. There’s absolutely no reason for a team that’s historically been poor but not atrocious to be as bad as the Caps are right now (which is beyond atrocious) and that needs to be fixed by the coaches or the players distributing some ass-kickings. “Do your f***ing job.”

 

[txpd]

Among those teams (Wsh, Nsh, Pit, TB) truly contending is not a matter of skill it’s a matter of will. I agree 100% with the face off specialist comment but I think that’s a symptom of the other group cohesion issue you allude to. Face offs are a skill but a blue-collar one. There’s absolutely no reason for a team that’s historically been poor but not atrocious to be as bad as the Caps are right now (which is beyond atrocious) and that needs to be fixed by the coaches or the players distributing some ass-kickings. “Do your ****ing job.”

Historically poor? At face offs? The Caps?? You don't mean that. Do you?

 

[bobbyb2009]

Ok...I just think any suggestion that the Capitals are not a serious contender is wrong. The Caps have all the star power they need. They don't need a player that would require a 1st round pick to buy. The current losing streak not withstanding. What they need more than anything are their primary players as a group to step back to their games. With Wilson and Vrana stepping their games up a level and Seigenthaler establishing as a solid 7 behind Djoos the team has solid depth. Niskanen, Orlov, Eller and mostly Kuzy need to get serious again. They have two holes.

1. Burakovsky's spot needs filled next to Eller. 2. The Caps need a bottom six preferably right handed face off guy that can play. The absence of Beagle is killing them in that area of the lineup. They wont win being the last place face off team in the league

Well, Beagle could be made available....

 

[skyo]

Perfect. They can have Maroon for a 4th or 5th.

Yup if they want some beef on their 3rd line, Maroon is the perfect rental for em.

 

[StephenPeat]

Historically poor? At face offs? The Caps?? You don't mean that. Do you?

Aside from a few guys who were better at faceoffs than their pay grade including Beagle, Boyd Gordon, and Steckel, no I’d say faceoffs are not an area of the team that has historically instilled confidence, particularly against teams with competent Cs and I do think that singular aspect of Beagles game is noticeably weaker on the team this season. In particular, it seems like the Caps historically lose a majority of their faceoffs against Pittsburgh and Boston but perhaps my view is being skewed by a selective memory.

 

[StephenPeat]

Perfect. They can have Maroon for a 4th or 5th.

We’re not looking to beef up our 4th or 5th line. I mean I have to assume that’s what you mean because that’s where Maroon belongs on these Caps.

 

[txpd]

Well, Beagle could be made available....

I could see that. Ive chatted with Vancouver fans about it. I hope you aren't thinking the Caps would pay a first round pick for Beags though

 

[txpd]

Aside from a few guys who were better at faceoffs than their pay grade including Beagle, Boyd Gordon, and Steckel, no I’d say faceoffs are not an area of the team that has historically instilled confidence, particularly against teams with competent Cs and I do think that singular aspect of Beagles game is noticeably weaker on the team this season. In particular, it seems like the Caps historically lose a majority of their faceoffs against Pittsburgh and Boston but perhaps my view is being skewed by a selective memory.

You need to look at the actual numbers. From the time they first made the playoffs(Ovechkin era) to now they are 15th. From Trotz first season to now, they are first. First in the league. Last season they were 6th. In the playoffs Beagle won 63% of defensive zone draws. That is dominance. They have been an outstanding faceoff team.

Not sure what you are thinking

 

[skyo]

We’re not looking to beef up our 4th or 5th line. I mean I have to assume that’s what you mean because that’s where Maroon belongs on these Caps.

Is this the Caps bottom six?

Burakovsky Eller Connolly
Jaskin Boyd DSP

6'3 225 lbs Maroon is avg 14 min TOI.
Has 4g, 10a, 14pts, 41pim - 1ppg, 2gwg.

His 85 hits would put him 5th on your team.
His 14pts put him ahead of your entire bottom six sans Eller and Connolly.

Maroon seems like a great cheap option to beef up the Caps 3rd line imo, unless you want to pay up bigger assets.

 

[CycloneSweep]

We have a guy who outscored Laine in Jan!

Milan Lucic! Only for the small cost of a 4th rounder. Could even talk us into a 7th

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

I see 4 players Caps may move:

Player	YOB	NHL GP	PPG	DRAFT	-
Lucas Johansen (LD)	1997	0	-	1st round pick	RFA
Madison Bowey (RD)	1995	83	0.22	2nd round pick	RFA
André Burakovsky (RW)	1995	296	0.45	1st round pick	RFA
Devante Smith-Pelly (RW)	1992	387	0.26	2nd round pick	UFA

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Something interesting for the Caps 3rd line for them ?

 

[StephenPeat]

You need to look at the actual numbers. From the time they first made the playoffs(Ovechkin era) to now they are 15th. From Trotz first season to now, they are first. First in the league. Last season they were 6th. In the playoffs Beagle won 63% of defensive zone draws. That is dominance. They have been an outstanding faceoff team.

Not sure what you are thinking

Perhaps I’m looking in the wrong places. Puck-Base has them middle of the pack the past 3 seasons and dead last this season.

 

[StephenPeat]

Is this the Caps bottom six?

Burakovsky Eller Connolly
Jaskin Boyd DSP

6'3 225 lbs Maroon is avg 14 min TOI.
Has 4g, 10a, 14pts, 41pim - 1ppg, 2gwg.

His 85 hits would put him 5th on your team.
His 14pts put him ahead of your entire bottom six sans Eller and Connolly.

Maroon seems like a great cheap option to beef up the Caps 3rd line imo, unless you want to pay up bigger assets.

My view is Maroon makes the Bottom 6 much slower and that is not something to be desired. I also don’t think he’s better than any of those players (DSP aside currently) despite the counting stats this season. He’s not worth acquiring IMO.

 

[RABBIT]

Cousins, Archibald, 3rd for Andre Burakovsky

 

[txpd]

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