Post-Game Talk: Capitals 4, Penguins 1 - All is Well

[Peat]

It might not even be the worst thing in the world to try Sheahan on Malkin's LW. The problem is it once again leaves a big gap in the bottom six center spot. Who takes Sheahan's spot at 3C? McKegg? Then who takes 4C?

JR would have to go out and acquire another center before your idea could be tried. At the very least, they'd have to wait until Rowney returns.

I was just thinking of double shifting Sheahan for a few shifts to see if it had any legs. I agree that - barring giving Guentzel a go at 3C - its a non-goer for now for obvious reasons.

 

[NMK11]

Sheahan - Malkin - Kessel
Sheary - Guentzel - Hornqvist
Hagelin - McKegg - Rust
Kuhnhackl - Crosby - Reaves

Profit?

I know youre joking, but a Hagelin-McKegg-Rust line just sounds exhilarating. They may never score a goal, but theyd be flying.

 

[Gurglesons]

I know youre joking, but a Hagelin-McKegg-Rust line just sounds exhilarating. They may never score a goal, but theyd be flying.

It makes way more sense to have McKegg play with those two and Sheahan with Reaves and Kuhn.

I see no reason why we aren't at least trying it out.

 

[ColePens]

Sheahan - Malkin - Kessel
Sheary - Guentzel - Hornqvist
Hagelin - McKegg - Rust
Kuhnhackl - Crosby - Reaves

Profit?

I said go a bit weird... not flat out insane!

Sid w/ Rust/Sheary?
Geno w/ Sheahan/Sprong?
Guentzel w/ Kessel/Horny?
McKegg w/ Archi/Hags?

I honestly don't know. I am basically just trying to give a new look for certain players so they can get out of the bubble. Sometimes a fresh look can reset things. I admit it's a complete jumble of lines with very little reason.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If we're talking about moving Sheahan to the wing after having traded a cheaper, more productive wing plus a pick for him as a premium explicitly because he's a center, then that's about all that needs to be said about that trade.

 

[Ogrezilla]

If we're talking about moving Sheahan to the wing after having traded a cheaper, more productive wing plus a pick for him as a premium explicitly because he's a center, then that's about all that needs to be said about that trade.

except we're talking about moving him to Geno's wing specifically because he is good at taking faceoffs.

 

[Pens x]

Sheahan - Malkin - Kessel
Sheary - Guentzel - Hornqvist
Hagelin - McKegg - Rust
Kuhnhackl - Crosby - Reaves

Profit?

Lol at promoting Sheahan. That guy belongs on the top line....in Wilkes Barre. Let Sheahan destroy Rust and Hagelin’s seasons, not Geno and Kessel. Was playing Geno with Kuhn not a big enough **** you to Geno?

 

[Pens x]

except we're talking about moving him to Geno's wing specifically because he is good at taking faceoffs.

Being good at faceoffs, alone, hardly qualifies you to play with Geno when you are awful at offense.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Being good at faceoffs, alone, hardly qualifies you to play with Geno when you are awful at offense.

I never said it did. I was just pointing out the reason why it was being discussed, and why WC's point about the trade didn't fit the discussion being had.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

except we're talking about moving him to Geno's wing specifically because he is good at taking faceoffs.

So we traded a more productive winger making 1.3 mil per less this year plus a 3rd all so we could acquire a faceoff specialist LW for Geno whose career-high was 50.6%?

 

[Ogrezilla]

So we traded a more productive winger making 1.3 mil per less this year plus a 3rd all so we could acquire a faceoff specialist LW for Geno whose career-high was 50.6%?

I'm in no way advocating Sheahan at wing. I'm just pointing out that you are missing an important part of the discussion you are criticizing.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'm in no way advocating Sheahan at wing. I'm just pointing out that you are missing an important part of the discussion you are criticizing.

I'm not missing it, I just think it's really dumb haha

 

[Ogrezilla]

I'm not missing it, I just think it's really dumb haha

and that's perfectly reasonable

I think it's fair to say that if Sheahan or Wilson are on Geno's LW, we're doing something wrong. Neither is good enough to play in that spot.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

So we traded a more productive winger making 1.3 mil per less this year plus a 3rd all so we could acquire a faceoff specialist LW for Geno whose career-high was 50.6%?

For the record, Wilson has zero points in 9 games since joining the Wings. He's also averaging 7:39 per game. I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest he's somehow superior or more productive than Sheahan. The only part that seems accurate is him being cheaper.

 

[Peat]

and that's perfectly reasonable

I think it's fair to say that if Sheahan or Wilson are on Geno's LW, we're doing something wrong. Neither is good enough to play in that spot.

I mean, I suggested it, and I think its pretty nuts.

But I think that sometimes you need the right skillset up there more than the right player. We stuck Wilson up there against Ottawa because we needed a player to hit people and it worked, regardless of whether he's good enough to be up there (okay, he isn't).

 

[Gurglesons]

So we traded a more productive winger making 1.3 mil per less this year plus a 3rd all so we could acquire a faceoff specialist LW for Geno whose career-high was 50.6%?

We traded a healthy scratch and a 3rd for a player that fit a position we are weak on.

Even if Sheahan busts, nothing about that trade will ever be bad.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I mean, I suggested it, and I think its pretty nuts.

But I think that sometimes you need the right skillset up there more than the right player. We stuck Wilson up there against Ottawa because we needed a player to hit people and it worked, regardless of whether he's good enough to be up there (okay, he isn't).

I do agree with that in general. See Max Talbot in 2009. I just don't think Sheahan is the right guy for that. But I will never be too upset about experimenting in the regular season.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

For the record, Wilson has zero points in 9 games since joining the Wings. He's also averaging 7:39 per game. I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest he's somehow superior or more productive than Sheahan. The only part that seems accurate is him being cheaper.

Wilson doubled Sheahan's totals last year while playing far less time. In a small sample size this year, Sheahan has 1 more point (a 2nd assist) than Wilson in 70 more minutes of TOI - double Wilson's.

Sheahan's yet to prove he's more productive than anybody.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

We traded a healthy scratch and a 3rd for a player that fit a position we are weak on.

Even if Sheahan busts, nothing about that trade will ever be bad.

I'd prefer to have another option to spark the team at a time like this rather than Carter Rowney's doppleganger, but to each his own.

 

[Peat]

I do agree with that in general. See Max Talbot in 2009. I just don't think Sheahan is the right guy for that. But I will never be too upset about experimenting in the regular season.

Yeah, I'm not sold on it for much the same reasons. If he had even a bit of confidence in his scoring game I might feel different. I'm wondering about trying McKegg (who at least provides another burner for Kessel to work with and does have some scoring touch) in the role instead. Not really that sold on it either. Maybe we should just tell Guentzel he's taking the face-offs if he's on Geno's line.

But I'd love to get Malkin & Kessel out there more and the face offs are probably the big thing. And who knows? Maybe one would bounce in off his bum while stood in front of the net and it would kickstart glorious revolution

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Wilson doubled Sheahan's totals last year while playing far less time. In a small sample size this year, Sheahan has 1 more point (a 2nd assist) than Wilson in 70 more minutes of TOI - double Wilson's.

Sheahan's yet to prove he's more productive than anybody.

Why are we talking about last season? Sheahan clearly struggled last year, and Wilson benefited from playing with any one of Sid, Geno, or Cullen, much better options than Sheahan playing on Detroit's fourth line with a scattering of the likes of Glendening and Helm.

This year, neither guy is productive. And not only that, but Wilson also can't be even trusted to get more than 8 minutes per game. So clearly Sheahan's been the superior player this year, even if not more productive on the score sheet.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'd prefer to have another option to spark the team at a time like this rather than Carter Rowney's doppleganger, but to each his own.

I agree, but I would say Sheahan is at the very least a proven successful center where as Rowney to me is a winger that can play center if we are injured.

Like at the very least we moved Wilson for a center with a pick incentive.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Why are we talking about last season? Sheahan clearly struggled last year, and Wilson benefited from playing with any one of Sid, Geno, or Cullen, much better options than Sheahan playing on Detroit's fourth line with a scattering of the likes of Glendening and Helm.

This year, neither guy is productive. And not only that, but Wilson also can't be even trusted to get more than 8 minutes per game. So clearly Sheahan's been the superior player this year, even if not more productive on the score sheet.

Because we have a very small sample size this year with which to compare the two. Being trusted with extra minutes this year doesn't necessarily mean that player is playing well, as Letang playing literally the most minutes in the league underlines.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Why are we talking about last season? Sheahan clearly struggled last year, and Wilson benefited from playing with any one of Sid, Geno, or Cullen, much better options than Sheahan playing on Detroit's fourth line with a scattering of the likes of Glendening and Helm.

This year, neither guy is productive. And not only that, but Wilson also can't be even trusted to get more than 8 minutes per game. So clearly Sheahan's been the superior player this year, even if not more productive on the score sheet.

Having Wilson gone is a win no matter what happens with Sheahan. It's one less AHLer to get in Sprong's way.

Guys like Wilson are in every farm system around the league, and DiPauli is likely the next guy up to bat from that ilk, but I suspect he will be more effective than Wilson was.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I said go a bit weird... not flat out insane!

Sid w/ Rust/Sheary?
Geno w/ Sheahan/Sprong?
Guentzel w/ Kessel/Horny?
McKegg w/ Archi/Hags?

I honestly don't know. I am basically just trying to give a new look for certain players so they can get out of the bubble. Sometimes a fresh look can reset things. I admit it's a complete jumble of lines with very little reason.

I traded Geno & Rust for Bozak, Kadri, Kapanen & 2 picks. Is that weird?