Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Justin Bailey to 1-Year, $700K Deal (Two-Way)

[Nucker42]

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[Hansen]

Seems like we're more committed to helping Utica find some players this year. Hopefully they're actually intended for Utica and not for Vancouver, otherwise they're more likely to end up playing for someone else's AHL team

 

[Nazzlind]

the main thing that stands out to me about his is that he's 6'4" 214

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Another Utica signing. Bailey is Lind's competition for the 2nd line RW role (if MacEwan doesn't make the Canucks).

 

[MS]

Was a former Buffalo 2nd rounder.

Lots of tools - size, skating, shot - and can make occasionally highlight reel plays that are really impressive for his size. Unfortunately no tool box or hockey sense at all and couldn't turn those tools into anything resembling a top-6 forward.

Problem is that he plays like a top-6 forward and is extremely soft for his size. Not engaged, not physical, not effective defensively. If he played a heavy high-motor game probably could be a solid bottom-6 guy but just doesn't at all.

Likely 2nd liner in Utica.

 

[tradervik]

6'4", 214 lbs, hmm...

Problem is that he plays like a top-6 forward and is extremely soft for his size. Not engaged, not physical, not effective defensively. If he played a heavy high-motor game probably could be a solid bottom-6 guy but just doesn't at all.

Aw man

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

$700,000 at the NHL level according to Capfriendly.

I'm hopeful that between him, Graovac, Camper and Perron, Utica will have a much stronger team this year.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Great for Utica !

 

[MS]

$700,000 at the NHL level according to Capfriendly.

I'm hopeful that between him, Graovac, Camper and Perron, Utica will have a much stronger team this year.

Keep in mind that Gaunce, Kero, Archibald/Pyatt have all left, and Gaunce and Kero are the two best AHLers in that group of players. So things look much the same.

I have few hopes that Kole Lind will be an NHLer for this team, but hopefully he can provide some quality 2nd/3rd line utility on the farm over the next two years.

Blueline is the real issue, with Sifers and McEneny leaving and no veterans coming in yet to replace them.

 

[timw33]

$700,000 at the NHL level according to Capfriendly.

I'm hopeful that between him, Graovac, Camper and Perron, Utica will have a much stronger team this year.

Would like to see a solid veteran D-man signing for Utica, but overall a big improvement in terms of taking care of farm team after absolute disaster last year.

It's such a shame that it takes multiple years of terrible results, prospects flatlining, and intense scrutiny for them to finally change something that is obviously not working. Just screams of an understaffed and out of their depth management group.

 

[TruKnyte]

Would like to see a solid veteran D-man signing for Utica, but overall a big improvement in terms of taking care of farm team after absolute disaster last year.

It's such a shame that it takes multiple years of terrible results, prospects flatlining, and intense scrutiny for them to finally change something that is obviously not working. Just screams of an understaffed and out of their depth management group.

I still don't understand how Ryan Johnson got put in charge of Utica without any related experience. And I say this as someone who liked him as a player.

 

[timw33]

I still don't understand how Ryan Johnson got put in charge of Utica without any related experience. And I say this as someone who liked him as a player.

It's almost like former players shouldn't be managers and administrators.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

I still don't understand how Ryan Johnson got put in charge of Utica without any related experience. And I say this as someone who liked him as a player.

I mean to be fair he worked his way up to that position, started out helping out as a player development coach, got promoted to Director of player development in 2016 and given the Utica GM title in 2017. He does have Pat Conacher has his Director of Hockey Ops, doing a lot of the day to day work for the Comets too I suspect.

 

[4Twenty]

I mean to be fair he worked his way up to that position, started out helping out as a player development coach, got promoted to Director of player development in 2016 and given the Utica GM title in 2017. He does have Pat Conacher has his Director of Hockey Ops, doing a lot of the day to day work for the Comets too I suspect.

Peter principle. He didn't work his way up, they just kept giving him bigger positions. Nothing he's done in development or running the Comets shows competency.

 

[krutovsdonut]

huh, another big winger with some offensive upside. it's almost like a pattern is emerging.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Justin Bailey is a better hockey player than William Nylander right now.

 

[MS]

huh, another big winger with some offensive upside. it's almost like a pattern is emerging.

Every year there's a new 'theme' based on what the previous Cup winner did, and it does appear that this summer's theme is BIG WINGERS.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Every year there's a new 'theme' based on what the previous Cup winner did, and it does appear that this summer's theme is BIG WINGERS.

indeed, but it's been a year now. here comes the big wing. tally ho!

 

[VanJack]

Justin Bailey is a better hockey player than William Nylander right now.

You must mean 'Alex' Nylander, the other Nylander drafted by Buffalo in the first round. Both Alex Nylander and Justin Bailey played in Rochester, but obviously Bailey isn't better than 'William" Nylander of the Leafs.

The other ex-Buffalo farmhand I was wondering about was Nicholas Baptiste...still unsigned...at one time the Canucks seemed to have some interest in him.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Peter principle. He didn't work his way up, they just kept giving him bigger positions. Nothing he's done in development or running the Comets shows competency.

(Cracks Knuckles)

The Peter Principle just talks about how someone "working their way up" isn't necessarily the best as there may be skills for the new position that the person doesn't have because they didn't need them in the previous position. It basically just shows the flaws and pitfalls of having someone "work their way up".

Unless you deem "working your way up" significantly different from "promoting from within" than you're dealing with semantics.

Now back to the discussion at hand. One thing I do wonder is how much Ryan Johnson does day to day with the Comets vs how much he hands off to Pat Conacher. I also wonder how much that has changed since he took over 2 years ago too. As you said, his experience was lacking in a managerial/hockey ops role and I'm guessing that Conacher had a lot of say in the personnel decisions early on while Johnson learned the role better.

 

[Hit the post]

(Cracks Knuckles)

The Peter Principle just talks about how someone "working their way up" isn't necessarily the best as there may be skills for the new position that the person doesn't have because they didn't need them in the previous position. It basically just shows the flaws and pitfalls of having someone "work their way up".

Unless you deem "working your way up" significantly different from "promoting from within" than you're dealing with semantics.

Now back to the discussion at hand. One thing I do wonder is how much Ryan Johnson does day to day with the Comets vs how much he hands off to Pat Conacher. I also wonder how much that has changed since he took over 2 years ago too. As you said, his experience was lacking in a managerial/hockey ops role and I'm guessing that Conacher had a lot of say in the personnel decisions early on while Johnson learned the role better.

Aquaman hiring practices at the Corleone empire: " Looking to hire people for high level executive positions. No experience required. Learn on the job"

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Aquaman hiring practices at the Corleone empire: " Looking to hire people for high level executive positions. No experience required. Learn on the job"

You forgot to include

"Mentorship provided."

Which is really what I'm trying to get at here.

 

[Hit the post]

You forgot to include

"Mentorship provided."

Which is really what I'm trying to get at here.

That's too bad though the three big keyhires at the start had no such mentor on the parent club (President, GM and Head Coach). Though I do realize that Pat Quinn was supposed to be brought in as a consultant; Fredo had no backup plan.

 

[I am toxic]

indeed, but it's been a year now. here comes the big wing. tally ho!

Let's just hope they don't have wooden legs.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Let's just hope they don't have wooden legs.

rules are for the obedience of fools and guidance of wise men.