Proposal: Canucks Sabres post-lottery

[M2Beezy]

If we have Hughes and Vancouver wants him, the conversation starts with Pettersson.

So Jeichel Risto and J Hughes for Pettersson and Horvat?

Your proposal is REJECTED

 

[PetterssonSimp]

If we have Hughes and Vancouver wants him, the conversation starts with Pettersson.

Lawlz. Why would we entertain trading a better player for a worse one? This should be extended to Horvat for Risto.
Sabres fans reaching Laugh fan overvaluing here

 

[notsocommonsense]

If we have Hughes and Vancouver wants him, the conversation starts with Pettersson.

And ends very quickly

 

[Yatzhee]

Buffalo wouldn't trade the 1st over all, nor the 2nd over all for that matter.
Now, if Buffalo ends up with 4th or 75th over all, Risto and the 4th/5th over all, Horvat doesn't get it done. Petterson is what gets it done imo.

 

[Yatzhee]

And ends very quickly

He was honest, and so were you. There ago, no trade to be had here.

 

[Mersss]

Buffalo wouldn't trade the 1st over all, nor the 2nd over all for that matter.
Now, if Buffalo ends up with 4th or 75th over all, Risto and the 4th/5th over all, Horvat doesn't get it done. Petterson is what gets it done imo.

Ristolainen is not worth a 1st round pick...

Horvat is worth more than a defensively inept d-man and a player you HOPE to one day be as effective as Horvat (chances are he'll never be)

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Pettersson/Horvat/Nucks 1st
Risto/Hughes

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Ristolainen is not worth a 1st round pick...

Horvat is worth more than a defensively inept d-man and a player you HOPE to one day be as effective as Horvat (chances are he'll never be)

Risto averages 40 points a season. I think there’s only 12 other Dmen in the league who average that. He plays on a terrible team. He’s easily worth a 1st and much more.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Wait, so the sabres give up hughes and ristolainen, and canucks fans are saying no?

 

[is the answer jesus]

Risto averages 40 points a season. I think there’s only 12 other Dmen in the league who average that. He plays on a terrible team. He’s easily worth a 1st and much more.

The takes on Ristolainen in this trade forum are getting absolutely embarassing. I've stopped trying to engage in conversations with these people because it really leads nowhere productive. I think he gets traded this offseason and these people will look very stupid.

 

[TryamkinPleaseReturn]

Wait, so the sabres give up hughes and ristolainen, and canucks fans are saying no?

One of the problems is that the Canucks defence if awful, not even close to being good enough to support a Ristolainen type of player. So that means it's Jack Hughes for Horvat plus a high first. And Horvat is already a #1C. It's not for sure that Jack becomes a #1C (I think he will become a good first line player but it's not definite, plus he may play Wing at the NHL level while Vancouver needs a center). So why would Vancouver trade a for sure #1C for a maybe? Yes Jack has a high ceiling, but Horvat is also improving every year.

Plus Canucks add a high first in this deal, so this just doesn't make sense for Vancouver.

 

[Neutrinos]

What about Boeser + Canuck's 1st for the 1st overall pick (Hughes)?

 

[Neutrinos]

3 way deal:

Canucks < 1st overall pick (Hughes)

Sabres < Boeser, Trouba

Winnipeg < Risto, Canuck's 1st round pick

 

[Cogburn]

Way to complicated to evaluate this effectively.

I mean we'd be better served using a different piece (Pettersson has been mentioned) for Hughes (let's be real it's not for a first overall pick if we know who we're drafting). I don't like this idea. Straight across? Maybe in a vacuum. We're not moving Pettersson and honestly I'd say Horvat is the only other piece we wouldn't move under any realistic circumstance.

Another problem is need. We'd have to give up Horvat or Pettersson to make room for Hughes. Conversely (and feel free to call me out here) but doesn't Buffalo have a number of prime centermen in the system? I mean Eichel aside don't they have Middelstad Reinhart and Thompson? Then on top of that they actually have wingers and players developing into top six wingers? Where do our pieces fit? At least Hughes would be an upgrade (or project to be an upgrade) over anyone not named Eichel. Who does Horvat beat out of their roster long term? We need forwards. We have room to fit in another center (even if someone has to be moved to wing). The Sabres aren't in dire need.

Risto for Horvat though? A polite no thank you from this Canucks fan.

 

[Panthaz89]

Ristolainen is not worth a 1st round pick...

Horvat is worth more than a defensively inept d-man and a player you HOPE to one day be as effective as Horvat (chances are he'll never be)

Risto is definitely worth a late 1st.......and for the "defensively inept D-Men" has been gone for a few games and we have given up 4,5,5 goals....so guess we aren't giving up goals simply because Risto is bad he just plays the most minutes on a team that can't play defense. You can stick 99% of the D-man in the same position for TOI for the Sabres in all of those years and expect a similar result.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Bo Horvat is a fine player, but he has 59 points in a career year and ranks 37th among centres in scoring.

#1c? Too good a player to risk for the #1 overall pick? Really?

 

[sfvega]

Ristolainen is not worth a 1st round pick...

Horvat is worth more than a defensively inept d-man and a player you HOPE to one day be as effective as Horvat (chances are he'll never be)

I would take Byram and Risto over Horvat all day.

 

[Buf fan in Nash]

So Jeichel Risto and J Hughes for Pettersson and Horvat?

Your proposal is REJECTED

You're nuts. Eichel and Hughes would be worth way more than Pettersson and Horvat.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Bo Horvat is a fine player, but he has 59 points in a career year and ranks 37th among centres in scoring.

#1c? Too good a player to risk for the #1 overall pick? Really?

Hes a 1b C. Who can play all situations and handles all of the tough assignments against top players. He has 59 points with scrub or bottom 6 linemates as regulars. He would easily be 30+ goal scorer otherwise.

You're damn right its a risk. Canucks wont take this risk to remove likely the future captain.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Very easy no from this Sabres fan.

Risto and Horvat have similar value. Risto is a young, right handed top 4 offensive D man that can QB a PP. He’s also near the top of minutes played every year, and faces pretty much every team’s top line. His QoC numbers are near the top of the NHL last time I looked.

Risto has been in the top 30 for points among defenseman since entering the NHL, and over the last 3 years is closer to being top 20.

What in the world has Horvat done in his career so far to make him oh so valuable?
Risto has actually outscored Horvat numerous times in their careers so far, and he’s a defenseman.
Plus, it’s not like Horvat’s advanced stats or +/- have been all that great either.

A guy Risto is absolutely worth a 2C like Horvat.


So why would buffalo throw in the #1 overall pick in this scenario?
They wouldn’t.

If Canucks fans would rather have Horvat vs Risto, that’s fine. I get it. But let’s not act like Horvat carries way more value than Risto. They are about even at worst.

 

[Zip15]

The only way Buffalo trades #1 to Vancouver is if the Canucks have #2. I think Buffalo would be fine with Kakko, especially if it can add more pieces in such a trade - but the Sabres would be foolish to drop any further than #2. Of course, Vancouver could try to call Buffalo's bluff that they wouldn't draft Hughes, but I think the 'Nucks would give something up to ensure they had both Hughes brothers.

 

[Icebreakers]

Bo Horvat is a fine player, but he has 59 points in a career year and ranks 37th among centres in scoring.

#1c? Too good a player to risk for the #1 overall pick? Really?

The dude plays the hardest minutes of anyone on the team and has waiver wire linemates.

 

[A91]

Hughes wont be a C at the NHL level. his game screams dynamic winger.

 

[Steddy33]

You know who values Risto more than most Sabres fans? An NHL GM to be named this summer. Wait and see. These idiot NHL executives fall in love with measurables and always think you can coach a player up.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

3 way deal:

Canucks < 1st overall pick (Hughes)

Sabres < Boeser, Trouba

Winnipeg < Risto, Canuck's 1st round pick

Buffalo would rather have Hughes and Risto than Boeser and Trouba