Waived: Canucks place F Sven Baertschi on waivers (Dec 15)

[CherryToke]

I wonder if 30 pts is Sven's ceiling. Perhaps he can do better with more consistent line buddies.

I think he scored at a PPG rate for 10 or so games with Horvat before WD decided to break them up to "spread" scoring around, which ended up depleting scoring even more . Anyone want to confirm that?

 

[quat]

Report: "Bärtschi to miss first week of season, still waiting for the last $435 to get out of his cage."

"Baerschi in the dog house"

 

[arttk]

I think he scored at a PPG rate for 10 or so games with Horvat before WD decided to break them up to "spread" scoring around, which ended up depleting scoring even more . Anyone want to confirm that?

They broke them up because they needed to make Granlund trade look good.

 

[DL44]

I think he scored at a PPG rate for 10 or so games with Horvat before WD decided to break them up to "spread" scoring around, which ended up depleting scoring even more . Anyone want to confirm that?

Wasn't that due to the Hansen injury? And Virtanen returned... had to shuffle the lines a bit..

but i guess we can blame Granlund.. funner that way.

 

[Hit the post]

but i guess we can blame Granlund.. funner that way.

Not really; it's like life insurance....when you "win" it's because you've passed away.

 

[I am toxic]

OK, they are out of the doghouse. The donors are shown as well.

Kudos to Sven and Laura

 

[DL44]

Not really; it's like life insurance....when you "win" it's because you've passed away.

Are you feeling ok?
Where's your emoji?

 

[VanJack]

I think we call agree that Baertschi has exceeded accounts received, and is well worth the late second-rounder Jimbo expended to land him...I fear however the scales will be re-balanced by the Flames when we start comparing the careers of Shinkaruk and Granlund.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Report: "Bärtschi to miss first week of season, still waiting for the last $435 to get out of his cage."

 

[F A N]

Damn Baertschi doesn't seem to have much in the way of pecs. Thick thighs though.

 

[M2Beezy]

I think we call agree that Baertschi has exceeded accounts received, and is well worth the late second-rounder Jimbo expended to land him...I fear however the scales will be re-balanced by the Flames when we start comparing the careers of Shinkaruk and Granlund.

I agree with this post. I was wrong really wrong about Baertchi but really prooved himself the second half of last year and it feels so good to be wrong about him. And then Shincky for the wrong Granlund could end up being the second worst trade in Canucks history (the first of course Forsling for Clenner)

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

We did make out okay on this one but dammit I wish he would just stop trading picks and prospects in the middle of our slide to the bottom. We're pick poor every draft.

 

[Huggy]

We did make out okay on this one but dammit I wish he would just stop trading picks and prospects in the middle of our slide to the bottom. We're pick poor every draft.

annoying but aquaman wants playoffs.

also demko and tryamkin are bright signs for drafting past 1st round

 

[Zarpan]

I agree with this post. I was wrong really wrong about Baertchi but really prooved himself the second half of last year and it feels so good to be wrong about him. And then Shincky for the wrong Granlund could end up being the second worst trade in Canucks history (the first of course Forsling for Clenner)

I take it that you don't remember Neely + what ended up being the 3rd overall pick for Barry Pederson...

 

[CherryToke]

Forsling will be lucky to make the NHL.

 

[Hit the post]

Forsling will be lucky to make the NHL.

These guys don't share your opinion:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114757

 

[The Iron Goalie]

I'd say Forsling has top 4( 2nd pair) potential for sure. The hype thats he's this amazing stud D-man that some fans are trying to start on the main boards is a little pre-mature imo. He still needs to get better at skating, improve his strength, and iron out his defensive issues. If he improves in these areas, I see a #3 PMD as his ceiling, but if not a 5/6 PP specialist could be in his future.

 

[The Stig]

MFW I see someone say that these nickle and dime trades are then worst trades in franchise history. Cam Neely and Mike Peca say hi. Or how about McLean and Gelinas for 3 guys who ended up playing 38 games total between all 3 of them. Bennins done some crap but holy cow the 80's and late 90's are still the crowned kings and undisputed champs of bad Canuck trades.

 

[Hit the post]

Bennins done some crap but holy cow the 80's and late 90's are still the crowned kings and undisputed champs of bad Canuck trades.

I'd expect the bar to be set a little higher than Jack Gordon or Mike Keenan.

Vaive & Derlago were pretty bad in the long-term (Defcon 1 bad) but at least it gave us but a brief glimpse of the holy grail (yeah Brodeur carried the team; but Williams had a large role as well). Considering the prior history of the franchise, we needed any crumbs we could get...

And here's the thing with those GM's that did those HUGE blunders...

Milford (who made that Williams trade) got us Thomas Gradin at the cost of only a 2nd round pick. Gradin was that good.

Keenan (no need to repeat all the crap under his regime) got us Todd Bertuzzi.

Until Benning does something that big on the 'plus side of the ledger' - his mistakes will always be magnified.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

MFW I see someone say that these nickle and dime trades are then worst trades in franchise history. Cam Neely and Mike Peca say hi. Or how about McLean and Gelinas for 3 guys who ended up playing 38 games total between all 3 of them. Bennins done some crap but holy cow the 80's and late 90's are still the crowned kings and undisputed champs of bad Canuck trades.

??? I do not regret missing out on Peca's career for 4 years of Mogilny. That was an OK trade.

Besides the point here, my real mantra is why do past ****-ups we've made excuse ones we are doing right now? Like sure, we've definitely got it better than the dark eras of Keenan and Laforge, but just because we've gone through that makes it acceptable to celebrate lesser incompetence?

I suppose we should start to praise W. Bush for not being as bad as Trump/Hillary? Like, that makes sense right? Hey, I know Dubya was a quote musheen and did sum funny thangs, but he ain't gonna build a wall or nun rite?

If you look back and say, hey we don't have it THAT bad...I think that optimism is a perfectly fine outlook on life. Optimism keeps you rolling when the weaker fold, but pragmatism wins you the hand so to speak. There are times when you need to say "hey, things can't get much worse" but that kind of mindset doesn't get you out of the **** you are in. You need to look ahead and learn from mistakes instead of making them on a lesser scale and saying "I didn't **** up THAT bad, look at this **** I did before!"

Learning from history to not make those mistakes again make you wise, making excuses allows you to repeat them.

But that's just my philosophy.

 

[The Stig]

??? I do not regret missing out on Peca's career for 4 years of Mogilny. That was an OK trade.

Besides the point here, my real mantra is why do past ****-ups we've made excuse ones we are doing right now? Like sure, we've definitely got it better than the dark eras of Keenan and Laforge, but just because we've gone through that makes it acceptable to celebrate lesser incompetence?

I suppose we should start to praise W. Bush for not being as bad as Trump/Hillary? Like, that makes sense right? Hey, I know Dubya was a quote musheen and did sum funny thangs, but he ain't gonna build a wall or nun rite?

If you look back and say, hey we don't have it THAT bad...I think that optimism is a perfectly fine outlook on life. Optimism keeps you rolling when the weaker fold, but pragmatism wins you the hand so to speak. There are times when you need to say "hey, things can't get much worse" but that kind of mindset doesn't get you out of the **** you are in. You need to look ahead and learn from mistakes instead of making them on a lesser scale and saying "I didn't **** up THAT bad, look at this **** I did before!"

Learning from history to not make those mistakes again make you wise, making excuses allows you to repeat them.

But that's just my philosophy.

Yea but Mogilny didn't end up bringing us anything. Plus him and Bure were both right wingers so the didn't even play together. Blah...I just liked Peca's game.

And you're right, looking back has no bearing on whats happening now. But my point was to dispute people saying Benning has made the worst trades in franchise history. Hence why I brought it up. Not just to say we don't have it so bad. But even so I don't think it's been horrible. Just blah. Just meh. Nothing catastrophic, nothing game changing. So far. Like his trades are....weird. Weird is the best word for it. Half the time you're kind of just thinking "well....why?".

 

[The Stig]

I'd expect the bar to be set a little higher than Jack Gordon or Mike Keenan.

Vaive & Derlago were pretty bad in the long-term (Defcon 1 bad) but at least it gave us but a brief glimpse of the holy grail (yeah Brodeur carried the team; but Williams had a large role as well). Considering the prior history of the franchise, we needed any crumbs we could get...

And here's the thing with those GM's that did those HUGE blunders...

Milford (who made that Williams trade) got us Thomas Gradin at the cost of only a 2nd round pick. Gradin was that good.

Keenan (no need to repeat all the crap under his regime) got us Todd Bertuzzi.

Until Benning does something that big on the 'plus side of the ledger' - his mistakes will always be magnified.

Ugh that Toronto trade. Yeah people love Tiger but man....we traded an eventual 50 goal scorer for a fighter. And a 35-40 goal scorer. And Derlargo had an awesome moustache.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Yea but Mogilny didn't end up bringing us anything. Plus him and Bure were both right wingers so the didn't even play together. Blah...I just liked Peca's game.

And you're right, looking back has no bearing on whats happening now. But my point was to dispute people saying Benning has made the worst trades in franchise history. Hence why I brought it up. Not just to say we don't have it so bad. But even so I don't think it's been horrible. Just blah. Just meh. Nothing catastrophic, nothing game changing. So far. Like his trades are....weird. Weird is the best word for it. Half the time you're kind of just thinking "well....why?".

In a candid moment, I'll admit Benning's not terrible. And I think if he was allowed more autonomy I'd like him a lot more (the ground-up rebuild). It's more or less just my philosophy of building a team doesn't align with his, giving up picks/prospects for projects (though Baertschi is looking very good now) and building a back-end that's not that mobile. Like, there's a reason the Gudbransons of the NHL are more readily available than the Klingbergs, and it's not because one plays better on the D end, cause Guddy's got Klingberg there I think. I truly think though, Aquaman is a bigger hindrance (is that a word?) to the team than Benning is. Benning's just a much easier target for frustrated fans like myself and to be honest, I think Gillis' catastrophic period of nearly everything he did from June 30, 2013 and on got fans calling ******** a lot faster than they used to.

But to the OG point, I agree. Peca's game was awesome, I love two-way centers, but Mogilny was entertaining at least. And the team wasn't really going anywhere anyway. Peca was much more purposeful on the Sabres team with Hasek and Woolley. The funniest thing I remember about Peca was watching a game vs. the Oilers in '06 (we played like 3 games straight in March against them I think it was the 2nd one...it was a home game) and I was at the neighbours and the guy said he wanted to "shove his helmet down his throat"...pretty much what you would expect Peca to illicit. Still don't regret that trade even though Peca would have been great to have in '03 or '04.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Ugh that Toronto trade. Yeah people love Tiger but man....we traded an eventual 50 goal scorer for a fighter. And a 35-40 goal scorer. And Derlargo had an awesome moustache.

Yes, but I was at a game shortly after that trade, and a Philly player cheapshot a player and standing over him ready to take him out, and Williams skated from 20 ft away and cross checked the player. It was the first Canuck to really stand up to bullies.

I lived 4 or 5 doors down from where Tiger ended up, I remember him and my dad (RIP) talking hockey fairly regularly.

Anyhow, he changed the face of the Canucks. And Jerry Butler was in that trade as well, and he was ok.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I think Tiger is one of the only players ever to record 30 goals and 300 PIMs. One crazy, talented MFer.