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[sandwichbird2023]

He's a RHD. He's not a RHS. He's firmly a RHD if he has any say in the matter and it's where he plays best. So like Ehrhoff...i'd just firmly call him a RHD. Because that's where he likes to play. But it's goofy semantics either way.

Point is...call him a RD instead. That's where he'd play.

I thought RHD means Right Handed D? He does play the right side but Tocchet likes a right-shot on the right side, so even though Cole and Zadorov can play the right side, they rarely does under this coaching team.

 

[krutovsdonut]

He's a RHD. He's not a RHS. He's firmly a RHD if he has any say in the matter and it's where he plays best. So like Ehrhoff...i'd just firmly call him a RHD. Because that's where he likes to play. But it's goofy semantics either way.

Point is...call him a RD instead. That's where he'd play.

rhd stands for "right handed defenceman". it does not refer to the side of the ice they play on although typically they correlate.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I thought RHD means Right Handed D? He does play the right side but Tocchet likes a right-shot on the right side, so even though Cole and Zadorov can play the right side, they rarely does under this coaching team.

I think you’re just arguing semantics. You’re right that RHD = right handed defenceman, but he probably meant RD.

 

[sting101]

I'm not sold on Tanev as a partner for Hughes anymore. He will neuter a lot of the offensive possession creativity that him and Hronek pulled off

I like Theodore but that's gonna be really expensive and rely on a lot of moving parts while trying to get a bunch of high profile UFAs sorted if so. McCrimmon is not gonna help us in any way and moving Hronek is not gonna net us what we want considering he's unsigned and at this stage everyone knows his demands are high if were moving off him and were needing to be aggressive time wise.

Just sign Hronek. Him and Hughes work so well together and tilt the ice. Just make it 4 yrs......again 4yrs.....4yrs ...4yrs....dont worry as much about AAV as long as he stays below Hughes and Dunn because there is no logical argument for above that.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I think you’re just arguing semantics. You’re right that RHD = right handed defenceman, but he probably meant RD.

My main point wasn't what RHD or RSD stands for, it was the preference of our coaching staff to have a right-shooting defenseman playing on the right side. Therefore, while Theodore does indeed play the right side, he is not preferable as he is a left-shooting player.

Hope this clarifies.

 

[sting101]

You guys need to remember that Tanev is now deployed as a defensive zone start specialist and his offensive drive has fallen off more and it was never his bread and butter. Tocchet is caving teams with the Hughes Hronek pairing. Winning an offensive zone faceoff with those 2 is a nightmare for our opposition and is a big reason why we have a weapon that teams are unable to answer similar to Makar Toews

We shouldn't be trading Hronek they just need to adjust the contract on the basis of his lack of productivity. Those 2 together play at another level and we need to keep that going

 

[arttk]

You guys need to remember that Tanev is now deployed as a defensive zone start specialist and his offensive drive has fallen off more and it was never his bread and butter. Tocchet is caving teams with the Hughes Hronek pairing. Winning an offensive zone faceoff with those 2 is a nightmare for our opposition and is a big reason why we have a weapon that teams are unable to answer similar to Makar Toews

We shouldn't be trading Hronek they just need to adjust the contract on the basis of his lack of productivity. Those 2 together play at another level and we need to keep that going

Yeah ideally need 1 more offensive D that we can deploy in the bottom 2 pairs.
So something like this:
Hughes - Hronek -> play driving pair
Zadorov - OFD -> 2 way pair
Soucy - Tanev -> shut down pair?

 

[Peen]

You guys need to remember that Tanev is now deployed as a defensive zone start specialist and his offensive drive has fallen off more and it was never his bread and butter. Tocchet is caving teams with the Hughes Hronek pairing. Winning an offensive zone faceoff with those 2 is a nightmare for our opposition and is a big reason why we have a weapon that teams are unable to answer similar to Makar Toews

We shouldn't be trading Hronek they just need to adjust the contract on the basis of his lack of productivity. Those 2 together play at another level and we need to keep that going

That’s fine as long as he is willing to adjust it.

It’s tough. If Hronek thinks he can get 8 million a year and Zadorov thinks he’s getting a 5x6, I think they need to pass on both.

I always think good vibes and nice weather should influence people to take less.

Maybe Zads comes to the table after the season and says he’s comfortable with a 4 year deal. Maybe Hronek tells his agents to relax.

Good coaching and a good roster with good vibes makes you attractive in free agency.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

You guys need to remember that Tanev is now deployed as a defensive zone start specialist and his offensive drive has fallen off more and it was never his bread and butter. Tocchet is caving teams with the Hughes Hronek pairing. Winning an offensive zone faceoff with those 2 is a nightmare for our opposition and is a big reason why we have a weapon that teams are unable to answer similar to Makar Toews

We shouldn't be trading Hronek they just need to adjust the contract on the basis of his lack of productivity. Those 2 together play at another level and we need to keep that going

If we bring Tanev in, I think the ideal pairing down would be with Zadorov or Soucy. The former would almost be like rookie Hughes as Zadorov is prone to cheating and needs a reliable partner to cover him. Soucy/Tanev is strictly a shutdown duo.

Only way I see Hughes/Tanev working together now is if Hughes started cheating in the same way Karlsson does, and mostly play like a fourth forward. Not sure that's a good direction for his game or even something he'd be good at.

That all said, we need Hronek to actually come down on his demands. If he won't budge at 8M+, then it's a harder conversation even on a shorter term.

 

[arttk]

That’s fine as long as he is willing to adjust it.

It’s tough. If Hronek thinks he can get 8 million a year and Zadorov thinks he’s getting a 5x6, I think they need to pass on both.

I always think good vibes and nice weather should influence people to take less.

Maybe Zads comes to the table after the season and says he’s comfortable with a 4 year deal. Maybe Hronek tells his agents to relax.

Good coaching and a good roster with good vibes makes you attractive in free agency.

I think we need to trade Mik if we want to retain Zadorov, Hronek, Joshua and Lindholm assuming we pay Zadorov like 4.5M, Lindholm 7M, Hronek 7.25M and Joshua 4M.

The cap is going to be crazy tight..

 

[Peen]

I think we need to trade Mik if we want to retain Zadorov, Hronek, Joshua and Lindholm assuming we pay Zadorov like 4.5M, Lindholm 7M, Hronek 7.25M and Joshua 4M.

The cap is going to be crazy tight..

I think people need to give this pro scouting staff the opportunity to fill some of the holes with cheaper replacements. The team has a real desperate need to add another top six winger if we try to bring back everyone at these pretty expensive prices, we really won’t be able to make the upgrades that we need to.

 

[arttk]

I think people need to give this pro scouting staff the opportunity to fill some of the holes with cheaper replacements. The team has a real desperate need to add another top six winger if we try to bring back everyone at these pretty expensive prices, we really won’t be able to make the upgrades that we need to.

technically we can keep all of them and reduce their cap by giving up term but that itself is super risky.
Lindholm at 6.XXM with 8 year term
Joshua at 3.XX with 6 year term
Zadorov at 3.XX with 6/7 year term
Hronek at 7 with 8 year term.

 

[Peen]

technically we can keep all of them and reduce their cap by giving up term but that itself is super risky.
Lindholm at 6.XXM with 8 year term
Joshua at 3.XX with 6 year term
Zadorov at 3.XX with 6/7 year term
Hronek at 7 with 8 year term.

No chance I’m doing Zadorov for 6+ years

Hronek for 7/8 sounds reasonably in line with the market even if I don’t like it. Like I can’t complain if he signs for that.

Lindholm - I don’t like eight years here and I think he’s the most obvious “trust your pro scouting staff to replace” guy. Especially since Blueger can clearly be a good enough regular season stopgap as the 3c

Joshua I’ve already been expecting a 3.5+ 5-6 year deal for a while now to be honest.

 

[racerjoe]

Its just tough, because I think every player it depends what their ask is. It is a puzzle and trying to fit guys in, and improve. I think you have to see who just wants to stay and is willing to take less and slowly build out.

Trust your scouts who found these guys in the first place.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

You guys need to remember that Tanev is now deployed as a defensive zone start specialist and his offensive drive has fallen off more and it was never his bread and butter. Tocchet is caving teams with the Hughes Hronek pairing. Winning an offensive zone faceoff with those 2 is a nightmare for our opposition and is a big reason why we have a weapon that teams are unable to answer similar to Makar Toews

We shouldn't be trading Hronek they just need to adjust the contract on the basis of his lack of productivity. Those 2 together play at another level and we need to keep that going

Assuming Hronek is open and willing to adjust his ask, then for sure we should extend him. Considering how hard it is to find a good top pairing RHD to compliment Hughes, it wouldn't make sense to trade the one you already have just to try and get a similar player. The problem is if the ask is so far above his worth, that is when we have to explore replacing him. He is probably worth about $6.5m, I would go as much as $500k higher just for position premium and to keep the chemistry established. However, if he insist on a contract starting with $8m, then you have to explore other options. It wouldn't make sense to overpay by 23% of his worth to keep a non-core player.

 

[Blue and Green]

Gotta say, congrats to the people who really liked the Joshua signing two years ago. I didn't know much about the guy. His advocates were correct.

 

[PavelBure10]

Wouldn't mind some extra depth on the 4th line. I really like DiGiuseppe but I think he is better served as a depth player rather than a long time fixture on the 4th line. I can see why Allvin had interest in Greenway, some size and grit would be nice. A annoying POS like a Matt Calvert type of player would be welcomed aswell.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Win the Cup and I won't give a f*** about what they do in the offseason.

 

[F A N]

I thought RHD means Right Handed D? He does play the right side but Tocchet likes a right-shot on the right side, so even though Cole and Zadorov can play the right side, they rarely does under this coaching team.

rhd stands for "right handed defenceman". it does not refer to the side of the ice they play on although typically they correlate.

I think you’re just arguing semantics. You’re right that RHD = right handed defenceman, but he probably meant RD.

Can anyone think of any right handed defencemen who was/is known to have primarily played on the left side in the NHL?

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Can anyone think of any right handed defencemen who was/is known to have primarily played on the left side in the NHL?

Weegar?

 

[MS]

Can anyone think of any right handed defencemen who was/is known to have primarily played on the left side in the NHL?

Other way around, but Jyrki Lumme was a LHS who played largely on the right side next to Dana Murzyn who was also a LHS.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Note to Émilie Castonguay: you may want to give Gen Z the term he wants.

 

[Petey O]

Note to Émilie Castonguay: you may want to give Gen Z the term he wants.



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Give him the term. They should be giving both Zadorov and Joshua term to keep the AAV down. If you can keep Zad in the 4's or low 5's that'd be excellent. Have to just lock these guys up at a reasonable cap hit.

 

[alternate]

Term for Zadorov doesn't faze me at all. With his size and skating, he should age well as long as he's healthy (same with everyone there). Just structure the deal so he can be dealt or bought out late in the deal without too much penalty.

 

[F A N]

Other way around, but Jyrki Lumme was a LHS who played largely on the right side next to Dana Murzyn who was also a LHS.

Well ya there's plenty of left handed defenceman who played on the right side.